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For those advocating night WAFL games it would be great to see some hard KPIs that can be used to measure the success or otherwise of those games.  As I pointed out Perth played Swans in a game starting at 5.10 pm on a Saturday earlier in the 2021 season.  It was the infamous "no scoreboard" game played on the 10th April.  The attendance figure for that game as per the WAFL site was 1,650 and for good measure from the BOM site the maximum for that day was 28.5C.  Again providing additional context it was round 2 of the 2021 season.  Perth had beaten the WCE reserves and Swans had scored probably their highest score in recent history against one of the favourites to win the GF Claremont in round 1.

Does an attendance of 1,650 for the night game indicate that there was an increase over what one would have expected for a day game?  Again to provide context the first fixture's attendances as per the WAFL site between Perth and Swans for seasons 2018, 2019 and 2020 with the home team in parentheses were: 2,099 (P), 2,110 (SD) and 2,558 (SD) respectively.  How does 1,650 stand up against the previous 3 years and noting of course the special circumstances of the 2020 season?

If you actually attended games regularly 42 you would realise 1650 is actually one of the better crowd turnouts this season so far!
Crowds are well down and I have never seen so many attendance figures under 1000 as there have been this season although admittedly most of those games have involved either WCER & or Peelmantle!
Night/Twilight games may not suit your agenda or those over 60 but they may well be for the 18-30 demographic in which we need to target to bring through the next generation of WAFL supporters as many of them will probably have other commitments at 2pm on a Saturday- work, family, social etc!

Provide the proof that your assertion is valid.  I have provided evidence that showed there was a significant reduction in this year's attendance compared to the three previous seasons.  If one was to extrapolate your rationale for having night games we should have every game at night to maximise attendances.

I look forward to having a debate, in person, about this.

And what % is the WAFL crowds down this season compared to the previous few seasons 42?
Massively I would suggest!
And most of the games this season have been played on a Saturday afternoon as well.
As I posted previously it may not suit your agenda (although you no longer attend games anyway) but we have to look at other timeslots other than Saturday afternoon where we go up against- 4 afl games, kids sport, work commitments for many, social engagements etc otherwise we will have attendances for all games under 1000 very soon!

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For those advocating night WAFL games it would be great to see some hard KPIs that can be used to measure the success or otherwise of those games.  As I pointed out Perth played Swans in a game starting at 5.10 pm on a Saturday earlier in the 2021 season.  It was the infamous "no scoreboard" game played on the 10th April.  The attendance figure for that game as per the WAFL site was 1,650 and for good measure from the BOM site the maximum for that day was 28.5C.  Again providing additional context it was round 2 of the 2021 season.  Perth had beaten the WCE reserves and Swans had scored probably their highest score in recent history against one of the favourites to win the GF Claremont in round 1.

Does an attendance of 1,650 for the night game indicate that there was an increase over what one would have expected for a day game?  Again to provide context the first fixture's attendances as per the WAFL site between Perth and Swans for seasons 2018, 2019 and 2020 with the home team in parentheses were: 2,099 (P), 2,110 (SD) and 2,558 (SD) respectively.  How does 1,650 stand up against the previous 3 years and noting of course the special circumstances of the 2020 season?

If you actually attended games regularly 42 you would realise 1650 is actually one of the better crowd turnouts this season so far!
Crowds are well down and I have never seen so many attendance figures under 1000 as there have been this season although admittedly most of those games have involved either WCER & or Peelmantle!
Night/Twilight games may not suit your agenda or those over 60 but they may well be for the 18-30 demographic in which we need to target to bring through the next generation of WAFL supporters as many of them will probably have other commitments at 2pm on a Saturday- work, family, social etc!

Provide the proof that your assertion is valid.  I have provided evidence that showed there was a significant reduction in this year's attendance compared to the three previous seasons.  If one was to extrapolate your rationale for having night games we should have every game at night to maximise attendances.

I look forward to having a debate, in person, about this.

And what % is the WAFL crowds down this season compared to the previous few seasons 42?
Massively I would suggest!
And most of the games this season have been played on a Saturday afternoon as well.
As I posted previously it may not suit your agenda (although you no longer attend games anyway) but we have to look at other timeslots other than Saturday afternoon where we go up against- 4 afl games, kids sport, work commitments for many, social engagements etc otherwise we will have attendances for all games under 1000 very soon!

Ignoring 2020 for obvious reasons, what has changed between 2019 and 2021 in terms of "4 afl games, kids sport, work commitments for many, social engagements etc"?

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For those advocating night WAFL games it would be great to see some hard KPIs that can be used to measure the success or otherwise of those games.  As I pointed out Perth played Swans in a game starting at 5.10 pm on a Saturday earlier in the 2021 season.  It was the infamous "no scoreboard" game played on the 10th April.  The attendance figure for that game as per the WAFL site was 1,650 and for good measure from the BOM site the maximum for that day was 28.5C.  Again providing additional context it was round 2 of the 2021 season.  Perth had beaten the WCE reserves and Swans had scored probably their highest score in recent history against one of the favourites to win the GF Claremont in round 1.

Does an attendance of 1,650 for the night game indicate that there was an increase over what one would have expected for a day game?  Again to provide context the first fixture's attendances as per the WAFL site between Perth and Swans for seasons 2018, 2019 and 2020 with the home team in parentheses were: 2,099 (P), 2,110 (SD) and 2,558 (SD) respectively.  How does 1,650 stand up against the previous 3 years and noting of course the special circumstances of the 2020 season?

They have tried these odd ball ( non weekend) nights before, mainly for Ch 7 earlier in the piece, the attendances just dont stack up as you say Swan, Friday night footy worked well at Fremantle Oval when it was first tried, with attendances over 3000 and great nights early in the season, down the track the novelty wore off and so did the crowds. I'm all for trying them again on a Friday or Saturday with new lights or at a revamped WACA, actually a night GF would be mint.  The SF v Perth game last year has a real buz, but that was a Saturday twilight game Im pretty sure.

I am with you Swan - Bassenden makes a lot of sense for the demons while the construction is on, I mean what will be the capacity there with no stand? 500 or so! 

EFFC are moving for their rebuild.

 

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For those advocating night WAFL games it would be great to see some hard KPIs that can be used to measure the success or otherwise of those games.  As I pointed out Perth played Swans in a game starting at 5.10 pm on a Saturday earlier in the 2021 season.  It was the infamous "no scoreboard" game played on the 10th April.  The attendance figure for that game as per the WAFL site was 1,650 and for good measure from the BOM site the maximum for that day was 28.5C.  Again providing additional context it was round 2 of the 2021 season.  Perth had beaten the WCE reserves and Swans had scored probably their highest score in recent history against one of the favourites to win the GF Claremont in round 1.

Does an attendance of 1,650 for the night game indicate that there was an increase over what one would have expected for a day game?  Again to provide context the first fixture's attendances as per the WAFL site between Perth and Swans for seasons 2018, 2019 and 2020 with the home team in parentheses were: 2,099 (P), 2,110 (SD) and 2,558 (SD) respectively.  How does 1,650 stand up against the previous 3 years and noting of course the special circumstances of the 2020 season?

They have tried these odd ball ( non weekend) nights before, mainly for Ch 7 earlier in the piece, the attendances just dont stack up as you say Swan, Friday night footy worked well at Fremantle Oval when it was first tried, with attendances over 3000 and great nights early in the season, down the track the novelty wore off and so did the crowds. I'm all for trying them again on a Friday or Saturday with new lights or at a revamped WACA, actually a night GF would be mint.  The SF v Perth game last year has a real buz, but that was a Saturday twilight game Im pretty sure.

I am with you Swan - Bassenden makes a lot of sense for the demons while the construction is on, I mean what will be the capacity there with no stand? 500 or so! 

EFFC are moving for their rebuild.


 

It is very rare that we agree on anything Bazza.  

This thread started out as a preview of this week's Subi v Perth game but has developed into a discussion on alternate fixturing which I don't mind one bit as there's some very good points being made on all sides. From my perspective, I'm happy to give Thursday night's a crack and if it doesn't work, then so be it but at least it was tried.

Watching on tv appeals to me more than going, though I might wear the colors to Lathlain. I enjoy Saturday arvo much more. 

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This thread started out as a preview of this week's Subi v Perth game but has developed into a discussion on alternate fixturing which I don't mind one bit as there's some very good points being made on all sides. From my perspective, I'm happy to give Thursday night's a crack and if it doesn't work, then so be it but at least it was tried.

Not for the first time and I doubt it will be the last time where BH and I have a difference of opinion.  I would like to see a more analytical approach adopted where it can be measured whether it is successful or not.  However, TV ratings should not be one of those.

I'm not sure I agree there 42 as you might get some tuning into the telecast who otherwise wouldn't have had exposure to the WAFL or certainly wouldn't attend games. Those who show up at the game are already locked in as WAFL supporters...it's the outside demographic we need to tap into to grow the comp and if that's by televising games in the first instance then I don't have a problem with that ...so imo ratings should also be considered in gauging success or otherwise of Thursday night games.

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I'm not sure I agree there 42 as you might get some tuning into the telecast who otherwise wouldn't have had exposure to the WAFL or certainly wouldn't attend games. Those who show up at the game are already locked in as WAFL supporters...it's the outside demographic we need to tap into to grow the comp and if that's by televising games in the first instance then I don't have a problem with that ...so imo ratings should also be considered in gauging success or otherwise of Thursday night games.

My rationale for not including the TV ratings is simple.  No revenue is accrued from the broadcast of WAFL games on TV.  

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Arse has totally fallen out of footy crowds at all levels.

I don’t know about other sports but the community has not yet rebounded from covid and the utter crap that was afl last year.

That is separate from Thursday night footy which has nothing to do with crowds. It was made very clear in press weeks ago that it is all about ratings. VFL owns Thursday night in vic and rates well. PFC was asked to trial here because of quality of lights and agreed.

If it rates well get ready for more Thursday footy at Latho. Not necessarily involving PFC.

There is no mystery here, it was well reported at time. And swan if it is a success on telly wafl clubs will make money out of it. They are very resourceful and flexible when they want to be.

How will they get money out of it?