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La Hincha wrote: A few points.

Subi had 12 developed players in the side on Saturday. Horsley, Hoskins, Bryan, Jackson, Cockie, Walters, Moore, Broughton, Clark, Kennedy, Wheeler, Phelan. Probably 1 short of 60% but definitely not 45% as stated.

Jackson chose to come through the Subi program at a young age. Just as Blake Acres chose to come through the West Perth program - even though he was a Subi product initially. You win some you lose some.

A sidenote. Even though I haven't listed him in the 12 above, Shaquille McKenzie was a Subi player and but for an odd set of circumstances became an East Perth player along with a couple of other lads who were from memory Ezatollah Ranjbar and Chris Warrell. I'm not claiming McKenzie as a Subi produced player but I'm glad he finally has the chance to play for the team he should have from the start.

Hayden Yarran is an interesting one. A Subi developed product without doubt. Played development squad and colts for Subi before heading elsewhere.

As pointed out earlier there are also cases of players playing in the zone but living outside it (Just). This happens quite a bit especially with Sorrento-Duncraig (Subiaco)/Whitfords (West Perth) and North Beach (Claremont)/Carine (Subiaco). I guess Jack Darling is a pretty famous example. Played for Sorrento-Duncraig but lived just up the road in the West Perth zone. Kingsley JFC is a weird one. Situated only a few hundred metres inside the Subiaco zone. Subsequently, nearly half live over the road in the WP area. I wouldn't be surprised if WP currently have as many if not more Kingsley players than Subi. That's footy. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happens on the EF/SF border also.

You need to get the facts correct you lost McKenzie and other due to you whinge abt your zone. We lost abt 6 boys (2 of whom had just been in the state 16's) who were at Colts training on night one but had to go to Subi and we got three in return. Lansdale and bits of surrounding burbs went to you.

Somewhere in here is a comment abt Subi not having a good zone or development opportunity.

If you look at your 14's, 15's and 16's you will find that your club culls the squads down to 30 players and focuses on them. There are boys missing out on the development opportunity due to the short sighted approach.

Give as many a chance an you might unearth some gems but if you throw them out cos they are to small at 14 then you reap what you sow.

Also there someone talked about players going to other clubs, I might remind you that we lost the Marsh boys cos they asked to play where their grandfather did and EP said not a problem, nothing in return, we did not ask for anything.

Thanks for clearing that up Grump I think the same thing happened with you guys and us with a few of the Ellenbrook boys in the transition over.
Feel free to add your good constructive input to the discussion especially being at the coal face of what is happening in the development ranks at WAFL club level
Hmmm as those $ubi fellas have no trouble in telling us SD boys there are 2 sides to every story!!

kudos to the EPFC for allowing the Marsh boys to keep up the Sorrell connection at EF....every club have their icon players and tradition....good to see it preserved even for a small time period....both Marsh boys only spent a year or two down at EF before getting drafted....though got a feeling Harry may be back next year.

interesting concept perception.....BH no doubts believes his facts are right with 71 via the SDFC and TOSG his, via the WAFL website......an argument that some how will be picked till the bones are bare no doubt....for example Twomey got drafted from SD yet comes from outside their zone.....Davis gets redrafted but originally got drafted via NSW....Menagola from EF first time and Subi 3rd time lucky....Duffy played colts at Perth and EF....more so at EF but is he counted a Perth draftee because they got the fee and not EF.....lots of stories within a story.....McPharlin hardly played any junior footy, one colts game for EF and kicked a bag from memory and then got drafted by Hawthorn, Chris Johnson (son of Perth great Alan) also played one colts game at EF, got injured and got drafted at the end of the year...Tom Mitchell played colts for Cl because dad was coaching here, gets drafted by Sydney...is he a Cl product?....Eades from SD sent over east for his own good gets drafted from Ballarat/Bendigo?....is he a WA or a Vic country draftee?....goes o n and on......

I wish we could get a list of how many get drafted from that particular WA club on games played over say 50 plus....yeah injuries are unfortunate, but surely longevity game wise is a true indicator of which clubs are the producing the best local talent, not just simply numbers drafted.....and delisted with little or no games played during their AFL career.

Grump wrote: Somewhere in here is a comment abt Subi not having a good zone or development opportunity.

If you look at your 14's, 15's and 16's you will find that your club culls the squads down to 30 players and focuses on them. There are boys missing out on the development opportunity due to the short sighted approach.

Give as many a chance an you might unearth some gems but if you throw them out cos they are to small at 14 then you reap what you sow.

Also there someone talked about players going to other clubs, I might remind you that we lost the Marsh boys cos they asked to play where their grandfather did and EP said not a problem, nothing in return, we did not ask for anything.

Eh? Subi don't cull their 14's, 15's or 16's down to 30. Not sure where you heard that or why you would say it. It's a simple matter of checking the year books for the squads of the 14's, 15's which are about 60-70 and the 16's have varied from about 45-55 depending on the year. I think this year the 16's was up around the 50+ mark. The booklet has all the lists




As for "facts straight" in regard to McKenzie. Where are my facts wrong. You've backed me up in your reply.

I'm having trouble posting the booklet file. Will try here.

Nope, Won't let me.

But the list of players for this year in the 16's was

EP 63
S 59
CL, SF 50
P 41
EF, WP 40
SD 36
PT 35

Also, I keep pretty diligent records from colts/development squad and I can find no record of any state 16's players who come to us from East Perth at that time. The only possible player I can think of is Allan Jones who played state schoolboys 15's the year before the boundaries changed. Can you remember who these state 16's players were?

La Hincha wrote:

Grump wrote: Somewhere in here is a comment abt Subi not having a good zone or development opportunity.

If you look at your 14's, 15's and 16's you will find that your club culls the squads down to 30 players and focuses on them. There are boys missing out on the development opportunity due to the short sighted approach.

Give as many a chance an you might unearth some gems but if you throw them out cos they are to small at 14 then you reap what you sow.

Also there someone talked about players going to other clubs, I might remind you that we lost the Marsh boys cos they asked to play where their grandfather did and EP said not a problem, nothing in return, we did not ask for anything.

Eh? Subi don't cull their 14's, 15's or 16's down to 30. Not sure where you heard that or why you would say it. It's a simple matter of checking the year books for the squads of the 14's, 15's which are about 60-70 and the 16's have varied from about 45-55 depending on the year. I think this year the 16's was up around the 50+ mark. The booklet has all the lists




As for "facts straight" in regard to McKenzie. Where are my facts wrong. You've backed me up in your reply.

I did some checking after posting and yes it was the 15's and the story given at the time by the development officer who later went to WP and has now left, seems having a father who was an umpire makes you a developer of talent, my apologies.

As for the culling, we played a lightening carnival for the 114's and 15's at sorrento where Subi and other teams had large squads but when it came time to play it was obvious that players had been reduced, the same thing happened with the 16's. It was apparent that this happened especially where the 16's boys were talking to mates and were told that they had been cut. I have no reason to disbelieve the boys and they were surprised when we did not cut anyone and they all got games.