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Freezin wrote: a couple out of EF 60 odd sounds a tad better than 9 so so's out of SD 40 BH .....but true mate, ...good to see a subi poster do some research though and challenge these comments of yours BH....on the surface things may look black n white, but underneath it's a pandora's box of lies and deceptions eh mate?..

Hmmmm I'm not sure the back of a dunny door in some god forsaken truck stop in the middle of nowhere constitutes a legitimate tool of reference Freeze.
40 SD boys drafted/rookied into the AFL Outer reckons well I came up with that many just off the top of my head in the likes of- Broad, Davis, Blakely, Hughes, Lobb, Cameron, Coniglio, Newman, D.Garlett, J.Garlett, Notte, Naitanui, L.Jetta, N.Jetta, Bennell, Rance, Banfield, Walters, Pearce, Stevens, Twomey, Eades, Glass McCasker, Lynch, Ellard, Armfield, Blight, K.Ugle, Krakouer, Casserly, Yarran, Miles, Pratt, Gault, Blackwell, Spencer, Hunter, Ball, Embley, Cummings, Taylor......& then I had left out the likes of McDonald, Clark, Griffin, Brown, O'Reilly, Handley, Caton, Hutton, T.Ugle, you get the drift well I would think you would anyways.....

Hopefully we can finally get back to the actual topic now I'm actually getting bored of embarrassing some chaps with their supposed "facts" that are about as accurate as EFs goal kicking in the 2014 Prelim and have zero to do with the actual header on here!

A few points.

Subi had 12 developed players in the side on Saturday. Horsley, Hoskins, Bryan, Jackson, Cockie, Walters, Moore, Broughton, Clark, Kennedy, Wheeler, Phelan. Probably 1 short of 60% but definitely not 45% as stated.

Jackson chose to come through the Subi program at a young age. Just as Blake Acres chose to come through the West Perth program - even though he was a Subi product initially. You win some you lose some.

A sidenote. Even though I haven't listed him in the 12 above, Shaquille McKenzie was a Subi player and but for an odd set of circumstances became an East Perth player along with a couple of other lads who were from memory Ezatollah Ranjbar and Chris Warrell. I'm not claiming McKenzie as a Subi produced player but I'm glad he finally has the chance to play for the team he should have from the start.

Hayden Yarran is an interesting one. A Subi developed product without doubt. Played development squad and colts for Subi before heading elsewhere.

As pointed out earlier there are also cases of players playing in the zone but living outside it (Just). This happens quite a bit especially with Sorrento-Duncraig (Subiaco)/Whitfords (West Perth) and North Beach (Claremont)/Carine (Subiaco). I guess Jack Darling is a pretty famous example. Played for Sorrento-Duncraig but lived just up the road in the West Perth zone. Kingsley JFC is a weird one. Situated only a few hundred metres inside the Subiaco zone. Subsequently, nearly half live over the road in the WP area. I wouldn't be surprised if WP currently have as many if not more Kingsley players than Subi. That's footy. I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happens on the EF/SF border also.

LH firstly welcome back online.
I started this topic as one who is passionate about WAFL clubs developing their own talent.
Jackson is listed as originating from Collie in all of the sources I checked be it the Football, Budget, Bouncedown, online etc whilst the other fella Bryan was listed as North Beach AFC but I did concede later he may have been from your zone as a junior.
Lastly as someone who was always passionate about your own clubs junior development what is your current stance on the continual recruiting undertaken every off season at the expense of local zone talent even more bizarre considering the successful era have that stretches well beyond 30 years now?
I could also mention the unsuccesful attacks on lower clubs reigning F&Bs further strengthening the top club and further weakening the bottom clubs and how is that good for the competition overall ...your thoughts?

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Freezin wrote: a couple out of EF 60 odd sounds a tad better than 9 so so's out of SD 40 BH .....but true mate, ...good to see a subi poster do some research though and challenge these comments of yours BH....on the surface things may look black n white, but underneath it's a pandora's box of lies and deceptions eh mate?..

Hmmmm I'm not sure the back of a dunny door in some god forsaken truck stop in the middle of nowhere constitutes a legitimate tool of reference Freeze.
40 SD boys drafted/rookied into the AFL Outer reckons well I came up with that many just off the top of my head in the likes of- Broad, Davis, Blakely, Hughes, Lobb, Cameron, Coniglio, Newman, D.Garlett, J.Garlett, Notte, Naitanui, L.Jetta, N.Jetta, Bennell, Rance, Banfield, Walters, Pearce, Stevens, Twomey, Eades, Glass McCasker, Lynch, Ellard, Armfield, Blight, K.Ugle, Krakouer, Casserly, Yarran, Miles, Pratt, Gault, Blackwell, Spencer, Hunter, Ball, Embley, Cummings, Taylor......& then I had left out the likes of McDonald, Clark, Griffin, Brown, O'Reilly, Handley, Caton, Hutton, T.Ugle, you get the drift well I would think you would anyways.....

Hopefully we can finally get back to the actual topic now I'm actually getting bored of embarrassing some chaps with their supposed "facts" that are about as accurate as EFs goal kicking in the 2014 Prelim and have zero to do with the actual header on here!

You're claiming that Victorian Twomey?
And South Freos Krakouer amongst others
Righto

Sorry I should have explained that list is draftees from within the clubs zone.

It's a vicious circle and it has been since the 2002 boundary redistribution.

The less Subi gets as far as a zone goes, and it is the smallest (Usually vying with East Perth), the more they will recruit. Who could blame them. They want to compete with Peel/East Perth and the clubs with big zones.

I think the league and ressies program is good. Schofield is fair and will pick locals if they show something in the ressies. Not going to be that many picked when they've (Colts) won only 3 of their last 28 games though.

Colts program. Not working. Not going into it here though.

Although, even if it was functioning well, 4th or 5th spot is the very best Subi colts could ever finish given the current zones.

La Hincha wrote: It's a vicious circle and it has been since the 2002 boundary redistribution.

The less Subi gets as far as a zone goes, and it is the smallest (Usually vying with East Perth), the more they will recruit. Who could blame them. They want to compete with Peel/East Perth and the clubs with big zones.

I think the league and ressies program is good. Schofield is fair and will pick locals if they show something in the ressies. Not going to be that many picked when they've (Colts) won only 3 of their last 28 games though.

Colts program. Not working. Not going into it here though.

Hopefully with the new coach some of their decision making and player selection will improve.

Theouterseagull wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

mikeh wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Mudlark wrote: You must be from the school of hard knocks precious sister.One knock too many methinks.The reason why your mob recruited the foreign legion was to win a flag after a very barren time in the wilderness.Now can we have the list of the around 20 draftees,followed by the list of the foreign legion.PS,include that AFL recruit Hansen who was on a shitload ,you hypocritical flog.

Do any of the following names ring a bell old chap- Armfield, Ellard, Miles, Rance, Naitanui, Notte, Walters, Pearce, Pratt, Garlett, Yarran, Ugle, Banfield, L.Jetta, N.Jetta, Blight? And then straight after the flag win the likes of Twomey, Krakouer, Coniglio, Gault, Newman, Stevens.
Good to see you are still with us anyway Muddy old boy ..have a nice day!

Be careful BH, he sounds a bit angry for some reason.........

I thought the fact we lost 22 players to the AFL over that few year period was pretty common knowledge Mike not to mention the retirements of stalwarts like Beros, Griffin, Johnson, Piani, Cornelious, Edmonds et al around the same time factored in ...and yet the $ubi boys are getting their dependence diapers in a knot over us picking up 6 or so recruits to cover those all mentioned when they do that at a minimum each year without any drafted ...$trange crew that lot!

Without any drafted?
Since the inception of the draft Subiaco has had 36 players drafted and Swans 40

Full list
C 64
EF 61
SF 44
SD 40
S 36
WP 36
P 34
EP 27
PT 16

They were drafted from Swans since the inception of the draft which was what you originally stipulated. Anyways I have listed well over 40 SD players even accounting for Twomey & Krakouer taken out so what was your reference source ...tomato, barbecue or Worcestershire?

In relation to Subiaco we have not won a flag in the colts for thirty years, which as others have pointed out, has forced them to recruit if they wanted to be a force in the competition. Even allowing for the heavy recruitting, we have not necessarily been a strong presence -- we went nearly twenty years without a premiership between 1987 and 2004; that, is a long time. The latest batch of recruitting has occurred after two poor seasons, including a second last in 2013, and in the face of the alignments at Peel and EP.

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Theouterseagull wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

mikeh wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Mudlark wrote: You must be from the school of hard knocks precious sister.One knock too many methinks.The reason why your mob recruited the foreign legion was to win a flag after a very barren time in the wilderness.Now can we have the list of the around 20 draftees,followed by the list of the foreign legion.PS,include that AFL recruit Hansen who was on a shitload ,you hypocritical flog.

Do any of the following names ring a bell old chap- Armfield, Ellard, Miles, Rance, Naitanui, Notte, Walters, Pearce, Pratt, Garlett, Yarran, Ugle, Banfield, L.Jetta, N.Jetta, Blight? And then straight after the flag win the likes of Twomey, Krakouer, Coniglio, Gault, Newman, Stevens.
Good to see you are still with us anyway Muddy old boy ..have a nice day!

Be careful BH, he sounds a bit angry for some reason.........

I thought the fact we lost 22 players to the AFL over that few year period was pretty common knowledge Mike not to mention the retirements of stalwarts like Beros, Griffin, Johnson, Piani, Cornelious, Edmonds et al around the same time factored in ...and yet the $ubi boys are getting their dependence diapers in a knot over us picking up 6 or so recruits to cover those all mentioned when they do that at a minimum each year without any drafted ...$trange crew that lot!

Without any drafted?
Since the inception of the draft Subiaco has had 36 players drafted and Swans 40

Full list
C 64
EF 61
SF 44
SD 40
S 36
WP 36
P 34
EP 27
PT 16

They were drafted from Swans since the inception of the draft which was what you originally stipulated. Anyways I have listed well over 40 players even accounting for Twomey & Krakouer taken out so what was your source ...tomato, barbecue or Worcestershire?

Always disputing official stats
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Theouterseagull wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Theouterseagull wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

mikeh wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Mudlark wrote: You must be from the school of hard knocks precious sister.One knock too many methinks.The reason why your mob recruited the foreign legion was to win a flag after a very barren time in the wilderness.Now can we have the list of the around 20 draftees,followed by the list of the foreign legion.PS,include that AFL recruit Hansen who was on a shitload ,you hypocritical flog.

Do any of the following names ring a bell old chap- Armfield, Ellard, Miles, Rance, Naitanui, Notte, Walters, Pearce, Pratt, Garlett, Yarran, Ugle, Banfield, L.Jetta, N.Jetta, Blight? And then straight after the flag win the likes of Twomey, Krakouer, Coniglio, Gault, Newman, Stevens.
Good to see you are still with us anyway Muddy old boy ..have a nice day!

Be careful BH, he sounds a bit angry for some reason.........

I thought the fact we lost 22 players to the AFL over that few year period was pretty common knowledge Mike not to mention the retirements of stalwarts like Beros, Griffin, Johnson, Piani, Cornelious, Edmonds et al around the same time factored in ...and yet the $ubi boys are getting their dependence diapers in a knot over us picking up 6 or so recruits to cover those all mentioned when they do that at a minimum each year without any drafted ...$trange crew that lot!

Without any drafted?
Since the inception of the draft Subiaco has had 36 players drafted and Swans 40

Full list
C 64
EF 61
SF 44
SD 40
S 36
WP 36
P 34
EP 27
PT 16

They were drafted from Swans since the inception of the draft which was what you originally stipulated. Anyways I have listed well over 40 players even accounting for Twomey & Krakouer taken out so what was your source ...tomato, barbecue or Worcestershire?

Always disputing official stats
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I will repeat I have listed previously well over 40 SD players taken in the drafts ...so what is your source it surely isn't that hard to answer?