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As I have said above, colts football is  flukey, Subi winning the flag with so few teams on paper. We won our first colts flag in 1989. 

Subi must be doing something right in the last 3 years. Small pool of players. 2 of the 7 clubs on life support. Kingsley struggling now for some reason. Only 9 clubs in the country all remote. But we know the WAFC wants them come back to the pack and I get it.....even though it probably isn't an ethical way to do it.

But Claremont and East Fremantle are a constant. Not flukey. Remember Claremont have many PSA teams at Christchurch, Hale and Scotch...at least 75% would belong to them. In fact all 8 of their state players attend one of those 3 schools. Their country zone is the best also. They could not fail - no matter who ran their zone.

Swan's metro zone is great. Country zone poor. Only 3 clubs in the SWFL. The rest in remote Pilbara, so need strong metro numbers.

East Perth doing an amazing job getting footy up and about in Morley and Coolbinia...fair play. If they ever get Beechboro up I'll buy Grump a carton. Not many people familiar with footy up there so my carton is safe. Country zone = awesome. We all know someone who has moved down to Dunsborough, Margaret River, Yallingup or Augusta. Boom time for EP country.

Perth...metro zone not dissimilar to EP...not finding good metro players. Country zone = awesome but not finding good players from there anymore either. Big question mark about that.

South solid metro, solid country.

West Perth have a growing metro thankfully....they've done it tough and I wouldn't be taking anything from them. Country zone average....small wheatbelt downs.

Peel??? 

East Fremantle....always nice metro numbers...nice demographic....Great Northern is a good provider without being massive numbers....


 

LaH a quick look at the Scotch College sports' page shows that they have 19 Aussie Rules teams from their 1st XVIII down.   This includes their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th XVIII teams that I assume are made up of Years 11 and 12 students.   It is reasonable to assume that Christ Church Grammar School and Hale School would have similar number of teams.

yes, don't get sucked in by  the flags, cl., should have won yet another flag last season. The key stat is that the tigers have won sixty per cent of their games; SD just forty percent 

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Yes that's right. and that has to be factored into the equation and I'm hoping people do.

But I can't give accurate info which of those PSA teams are solely years 10,11,12 and I can't give accurate numbers about which of those students live in the CL zone.

My guess is 50% at Hale and 90% plus at Scotch and Christchurch.

They list 2 Year 10 and 3 Year 9 teams; so I would expect that the majority of their 1st to 5th teams would be made up of Years 11 and 12 students.

I wonder how many teams GG have 42?..can't think of many WAFL clubs colts sides playing players from GG  bar SD...would love to see some % breakdowns from other PSA schools to see who plays where as well,...I know EF do well out of Aquinas....have done of late....

Also be interested into see which Country areas consistently win the annual Country champs in league and colts....definitely not the Great Northern League.....always seems to be that EP, SD and Peel area just south west of Perth.....

While there might be a few private schools in or near Perth's zone, it is highly likely that the kids attending will be from our small number of affluent suburbs - basically Vic Park/South Perth. I imagine there would be very few from the Albany Highway corridor. There would be some country boarders on scholarships - Franklin, Hill, MacDonald, for eg. Trinity is not really in EP zone because it is a school which doesn't have a geographical student base. Christchurch, Scotch and Hale tend to get kids mostly from neighbouring suburbs, so they will wind up being Subi/Claremont players. Plus the three best performing public schools - Shenton, Churchlands and Rossmoyne - are in affluent areas outside our zone. I reckon any of Christchurch, Scotch, Hale First XVIII would beat a combined Gosnells/Maddington/Cannington/Belmont team.

Footy clubs are always looking for a competitive advantage. If someone innovates, others follow. You had the focus on fitness brought in by Hafey, the handball game, the paddock, the press, the muscular 90s physique to todays leaner body shape for a running game, etc, etc. Do you seriously think that if all that was needed to ensure a steady supply of quality footballers was going to trophy nights and finals, running training sessions and inviting blokes to lunch no-one at Perth over 30 years would have realised? That we would never have had a conversation with Claremont? That across 30 years, with 8 or more coaches, presidents, CEOs, footy managers, Rob Wiley foundation, etc, a decision has been taken by each administration not to work our zone? Come on, I admit Perth has done plenty of things wrong, but seriously, if it were as simple as working the zone, we would have worked it.

Great post Ted

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Yes that's right. and that has to be factored into the equation and I'm hoping people do.

But I can't give accurate info which of those PSA teams are solely years 10,11,12 and I can't give accurate numbers about which of those students live in the CL zone.

My guess is 50% at Hale and 90% plus at Scotch and Christchurch.

They list 2 Year 10 and 3 Year 9 teams; so I would expect that the majority of their 1st to 5th teams would be made up of Years 11 and 12 students.

Ok good info mate. 

So how many kids belong to

Aquinas (Perth/EF border) 33% P 33% EF 33% other?
Guildford (Swan Dist) 60% SD 40% other?
Wesley (Perth) 50% P 50% other?
Trinity (East Perth) 40% EP 60% other?
Scotch (Claremont) 90% CL 10% other?
Hale (Claremont) 60% CL 40% other?
Christchurch (Claremont) 90% CL 10% other?

With respect to the two Catholic PSA colleges I would think that Perth's percentages would be much lower for both Aquinas and Trinity..  Similarly, the percentages for East Freo and East Perth would be lower.    With respect to Wesley, I also think that the percentage for Perth would be significantly lower.

With respect to Guildford Grammar at an annual fee of $23,104 per student for years 7-12 I strongly doubt that 60% of the students reside in the Swans's zone.

Just to help here are the annual fees for a student in year 12 attending the 7 PSA colleges.  For simplicity I have included only the base annual fee without worrying about any additional charges.

Aquinas - $17,991
Christ Church - $28,920
Guildford Grammar - $23,104
Hale - $26,910
Scotch - $28,600
Trinity - $16,690
Wesley - $34,610

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Yes that's right. and that has to be factored into the equation and I'm hoping people do.

But I can't give accurate info which of those PSA teams are solely years 10,11,12 and I can't give accurate numbers about which of those students live in the CL zone.

My guess is 50% at Hale and 90% plus at Scotch and Christchurch.

They list 2 Year 10 and 3 Year 9 teams; so I would expect that the majority of their 1st to 5th teams would be made up of Years 11 and 12 students.

Ok good info mate. 

So how many kids belong to

Aquinas (Perth/EF border) 33% P 33% EF 33% other?
Guildford (Swan Dist) 60% SD 40% other?
Wesley (Perth) 50% P 50% other?
Trinity (East Perth) 40% EP 60% other?
Scotch (Claremont) 90% CL 10% other?
Hale (Claremont) 60% CL 40% other?
Christchurch (Claremont) 90% CL 10% other?

With respect to the two Catholic PSA colleges I would think that Perth's percentages would be much lower for both Aquinas and Trinity..  Similarly, the percentages for East Freo and East Perth would be lower.    With respect to Wesley, I also think that the percentage for Perth would be significantly lower.

With respect to Guildford Grammar at an annual fee of $23,104 per student for years 7-12 I strongly doubt that 60% of the students reside in the Swans's zone.

No disrespect mate.....but if the majority of Guildford kids aren't from SD or EP then where are they from?

We've established that they probably aren't from Perth's well to do suburbs like South Perth, Salter Point, Como, Karawara or Waterford because they have Aquinas and Wesley next door.

Claremont have three PSA choices, so probably not them.

Bit far for EF kids or SF kids.

Country boarders yes.....but the rest? Got to be from SD or EP...with a few spread over the rest......I can't think of a Subi kid who has come from Guildford over the last 20 years. I can recall some country borders at Hale and some Esperance kids at Aquinas for some reason. A few Sorrento kids at Hale now and then. Pretty sure Nic Martin went to Trinity but he's from the old market gardens. 

I would expect Guildford Grammar to draw its students from a cross-section of Perth suburbs that are generally in the higher socio-economic ranks.  

From the Guildford Grammar website:

Does Guildford Grammar School’s offer transportation options for students?

Yes, we offer a number of bus services for  Preparatory and Senior School   students.  Currently we offer services that operate in the morning and afternoon to and from:

• Warwick
• South Perth/Victoria Park
• Muchea
• Mundaring
• Ellenbrook and The Vines (mornings only)
• Kalamunda
• Mt Lawley
• Stirling
• Gidgegannup

Our bus service page contains further information.

Where do most Guildford Grammar School students live?

Our students come from a range of suburbs across the Perth metropolitan area. We offer a comprehensive bus service extending to Warwick/Karrinyup in the North and Gidgegannup in the East. We are also conveniently located on the midland train line.