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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #119909

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'Also two other local lower grade clubs, Forrestdale (E1) and Gosnells (C2) have grabed another 10 or so to play in their colts, with Gosnells not only paying their fees owed to Kelmscott from 2016 but also telling them they would not have to pay any fees in 2017.'

Let's make it clear.

1. Gosnells did not pay ANY of the outstanding fees for the 2 Colts players who transferred to Gosnells or the one whose fees were paid on Friday. The players concerned paid their outstanding fees at Gosnells, and we transferred the money to Kelmscott's bank account.

2. NO Colts age players players, REGARDLESS of where they come from OR how long they have been at Gosnells, pay membership fees. This is not something new - it is the second season that this policy has been in place.

So much for 'it is important the truth gets put up on this site, not inaccurate gossip and rumour.'!!
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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #119978

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Forrestdale never had Colts and Kelmscott took a fair whack of their boys from the yr 12 premiership side of 2015.

Heaps of them have returned to their old club to play colts along with guys who went to CV last year.

Dont think you can bag them out for going home now they have a side to play for?

I would be careful stating clubs are paying players in your posts without any proof also?

Pot calling the kettle black wouldn't you say?
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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #119979

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Surely gosnells would of notified the league any any dealings to keep it all above board and agree with u disco kelmscott have poached/recruited/acquired plenty of other clubs players and dont like it know the shoes on the other foot
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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #120009

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Kelmscott accusing another club of paying players , classical.

sad to see such a historical club being destroyed.

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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #120119

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Footy349, I know there are some meetings this week to make a final decision. Looking at things as they are though you wouldn't be too hopeful though would you.

Birdman and Disco Knight. Birdman, it appears you are from very deep in the Gosnells camp. My source is adamant that Gosnells Football Club transferred the outstanding fees to our club's account. You seem to agree with that in your post. So all we have is your word that the 3 players concerned first gave you the cash. I will leave it to others to judge whether those 3 players did that when they couldn't find the money to pay those outstanding fees to Kelmscott for the last month or two. I can only assume Gosnells were given Kelmscott's BSB and account details to pass on to the boys so if the boys had the money it was just as easy for them to EFT or deposit the money themselves. Also Birdman whilst I think a lot of us would agree that colts players need to be encouraged to continue to play, isn't the waiving of any fees for colts players by Gosnells the same as making a payment to each of those colts players equivalent to the fee that would have been charged? How much were the colts fees before Gosnells introduced this policy? How is that policy fair to other young players at Gosnells who are not colts age, or to other clubs such as Canning Vale and Lynwood Ferndale who are trying to build or consolidate colts teams?

Birdman it is still important the truth gets put up on this site, not innaccurate gossip and rumour.

Disco, again what you have said is not the whole truth and so is misleading. The Forrestdale Y12s were not Forrestdale juniors as the team was formed in 2014 by 3 fathers from different clubs, Armadale, Mundijong and South Lakes who brought their son and another group of mates to form the Forrestdale Y11s in 2014. The side was recognised in the Y11 competition that year as a group of Super-Star players who were in and out of the South Fremantle colts and developments squads. Most of them were never Forrestdale juniors and never will be. Despite a heap of hard work from some great Forresdale locals, Forrestdale have not always had a vibrant junior program beyond Y8 or Y9 and in fact this year have abandoned their junior program completely from Auskick upwards to try and restart it in 2018. The Y11 boys in 2014 went on to become the Y12s at Forrestdale in 2015 and from all reports were a dominant Y12 team throughout WA in a really well run program. Because Forrestdale, being an E1 single team club, has never had colts until this year, the 2015 boys who turned too old came to Kelmscott to play A grade colts in 2016.

Disco as I said a lot of those boys who came from Forrestdale were dissapointed in the way the colts at Kelmscott finished up last year and I think had every reason to decide whether to stay or not. I know for a fact the current football people at the club have supported 5 or 6 of these boys returning to Forrestdale to play colts with their mates from 2015. The club has no axe to grind at all with those boys and their current colts coach at Forrestdale but it is obviously a shame to lose such good young lads. Where they go after playing West Coast colts (see they already have encountered a forfeit by Mosman Park in an 8 team shambolic competition) in 2017 instead of B grade colts is probably the more important question as Forrestdale seniors don't have a reserve side and play in E1.

Disco Knight, King and Fhred, what is the evidence that you all rely upon to suggest the Kelmscott Football Club has paid players? I'm guessing all you have is rumour and gossip again as well as the decision of the WAAFL a few years ago to relegate the club for supposedly giving 2 players a fuel card. From what I heard at the time from reliable people inside an outside the club, that was a stitch up job which the club chose to cop on the chin. Even if that occurred where is your evidence that Kelmscott has paid players prior to that incident, or since then? Given how often this nonsense comes out of the mouths of a small group on this site with vested interests, it's time to put up or shut up. So, name them. Name one player who you have reliable evidence of being paid by the Kelmscott Football Club. All 3 of you seem to be aggressive with a keyboard in front of you so let's go - let's have a name.

King, your generalised comment also needs to be backed up by hard reliable evidence. Name the players, even in the last 5 years who Kelmscott has poached, recruited or aquired from another club and name that club or clubs.

Fellas I don't want to be negative about things but fair go.

Disco and King, which clubs do you follow or support? Again I do generally hope that your clubs have good years except if they are in "B" grade when they play against Kelmscott!

Fhred,you should know that you can't disguise who you are. I know your Dad really well and I also know you were thrown out of Kelmscott at the beginning of this year for being a troublemaker and because you were deemed by the new coaches not to be good enough to play B grade. Given your track record I feel sorry for the good blokes at Piarra Waters. Only now that you and your small group of cronies have been thrown out of the joint is there now some hope for the historical club you refer to, to survive and hopefully prosper.

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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #120133

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Torpedo you really are deluded and not fooling anyone with your claims that you're not that involved at Kelmscott given how much information you reportedly know.

It is well known that 2 players from Kelmscott were found to be paid illegally to play in your B Grade team. Kelmscott copped in on the chin as the players admitted to it, Kelmscott didn't have any defence against the charge.

Who I support is irrelevant but what I do know is that Claremont FC tried to ban a Kelmscott official from matches a few years ago to prevent him from poaching their players during the season by offering cash to the guys to play at Kelmscott. Ill let you research which Claremont players travelled from their western suburbs homes to play B and C grade for the Bulldogs.

Kelmscott having the highest average red and yellow cards per team in the whole competition is another reason to dislike Kelmscott. It wasn't just higher you won the title by the length of the straight, you are the Winx of the Red & yellow card race.

Also failing to put together a decent colts or ressies side since you joined the WAAFL makes a mockery of the comps they play in. Claiming you have massive numbers of registered players but having to forfeit colts in Rd 1 and play with only 15 in your 2s is laughable.

Importing paid players for one off games from country sides who have a bye before the WAAFL bought in an emergency bylaw to prevent Kelmscott from continuing the practice was a dog act.

Kelmscott always has an excuse, nothings ever their fault is another reason to dislike the dogs.

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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #120140

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Im pretty sure Lynwood Ferndale offer free membership to colts and first year players... I can't see that to be anything like payment for playing

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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #120141

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Lynwood have offered free fees to all new players for the last 2-3 years (as has been advertised on this site) and there is no rule that clubs have to charge fees its a clubs choice to do so to recouperate costs to run a club. So your still NOT writing facts i dont think your close to changing anyone's opinions of kelmscott your probably only making it worse for yourself

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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #120196

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Gandolf and the lord of the cheque book

Well, Well, Well just logged into the new NBN link that me old mates at Telstra have plugged into my cardboard palace under the Tonkin to catch up on all the news. This Torpedo fella is dribbling more crap than my grandmas septic system on Xmas day.
Like any good investigator I put my magnifying glass to the test and sent my sniffer dog out to Harmony fields and this is what I found.
1. 7 used condoms and a pair of size 18 knickers (my ex’s I reckon)
2. 1 ripped up Kelmscott pair of shorts with skid marks

This is what my super slueth skills found from the playing group after interogating them
1. I can repeat we paid one player a bag of Samboy Bbq flavour chips (only one)
2. We have remunerated another player 7 individual pack of Smarties for the year
3. The last player 4 sensual massages from my ex Mrs McCracken – not that I agree with it but I do what I can for the club not to cause a scene.

Im a little shaken up at the moment as Phil Jnr decided to leave the Bulls and go to Kelmscott as he has been signed on as a league player but he is only 14. He rocked back up to my hut last night with some gold bling, new Adidas trainers, solid chrome scooter with fox tails and a new iphone all from playing one game.

What am I going to do.
LOCKED UP WITH BUBBA
HONK TWICE ON THE HONKY TONKY
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The Immediate Future of Kelmscott 7 years 7 months ago #120226

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Torp,

Thanks for your feed back.

I dont feel I am a keyboard warrior as I have been apart of some big discussions on how to improve the WAAFL situation for a long time.

I would love to see the top 3 grades all paid and then everyone knows where they stand.

I have witnessed first hand what the country league sides have done to many a WAAFL club in the last few years with coin.

I think I stated that a heap of kids went from Forrestdale to Kelmscott which you confirmed and then some went back again you again confirmed.

I also stated Canning Vale had some and they went back also.

You also state where are the facts for payment?

Fact Kelmscott got relegated for a form of payment.

I have been involved in several clubs with two losing a player to Kelmscott during a season in each case.

If some one drops a name or the money that guy goes down.

Maybe when they retire they might open up.

Yep maybe I should not have said pot calling the kettle back but it has happened?

I am man enough to acknowledge my actions on here and if you read what I said in context it is pretty plain.

I and many others dont want to see another club fold, especially one of the old Sunday sides so how will they get new blood?

Interested in your view to fix it?
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