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ArkRoyal wrote: Grassy: House: R -- 238 seats Dem --- 193 seats
Senate R -- 52 seats Dem --- 48 seats

In short the Clintons and Obama have overseen a disaster. This is the first time in 100 years that the Republican party has swept all of Congress and the Presidency. That how they will be rememberred too.

Its the most disastrous result for the democrats since 1929, they have not given over control of both houses and the white house since then. Old Hillary owns this presidential disaster 100%, she lost an unlosable election DESPITE massive financial resource a massive corporate backing and a huge party machine against someone who had access and a fraction of the funding and was a completely inexperienced outsider that his own party didn't even what, Its the worse loss in history quite frankly, makes Walter Mondales one state effort almost credible.

ArkRoyal wrote: swan 42: he has a lot of work to do on many fronts. On the jobs front, he can simply fine the companies until they return, not forgetting the tariff question. The thing about NAFTA which I resent the Clintons and the Republicans for, Swan, is that it has actually destroyed some of the best unionised and paying jobs in the US

Further, and this worrying for all, in relation to the abrogation of treaties, the Constitution is unclear about where the power rests. Is it simply with the President, or must the President consult the Senate? In the nineteenth century, Presidents were made to get the agreement of the Senate -- abrogation of the treaty with France, and the tearring up of the treaty with Britain concerning joint sovereignty over the Oregon Territory. Unhappily, in more recent times, Presidents have actted much more unilaterally putting treaties, such as NAFTA and NATO under threat. If he is forced to work with the Senate we should be alright on NATO, it would not pass the chambre.

The American cabinet system has always been a complete undemocratic shamblles, he could put anybody up before the Senate as a Minister.

Jimmy Carter and George W Bush both repealed Treaties unilaterally, the Supreme Court refused to intervene and there is nothing stopping them in law at this stage.

The US Presidential Executive Administration ( Cabinet) system is entirely different to the Westminster System, their departmental heads don't need to come from congress (parliament) or even be politicians, they can select anyone they see fit from inside or outside.

White women voted Trump in.

Poke in the eye for the loony left, hippie, gay, pc and femo nazi brigades.

I reckon this result creates all sorts of opportunities for well credentialed Australians who are currently out of work in the Trump cabinet....for example, given Sir Les Patterson was appointed Australia's Cultural Ambassador to the US and Cultural Attache to the Far East and the Court of St James I think it was he would make a great Secretary of State. The chair sniffing, bra snapping, demolition derby loving ex Treasurer Troy Buswell would certainly appeal to Trump and could be the next Chairman of the Federal Reserve. I'm sure there's places for likes of Peter Slipper and even Clive Palmer in Trump's government....and KRudd...well there's opportunities galore for him...just a thought.

swan42 wrote:

Senior Seagull wrote: Lots of people making lots of assumptions about a bloke who we really know nothing about, that's what frightens people, Trumpet is not the status quo.

He's been a brilliant self promoter and campaigner with his media grabs and thought bubbles to appeal to the great unwashed of lower/middle America and he's got the gig, now we will have to wait until after Jan 20th to see if there's any substance to this bloke or, he is who he has represented himself to be to the voters a billionaire boofhead sprouting feelgood unsubstantiated promises (gee that does sound like a pollie).

The only thing so far that I have liked about him is his lack of PC-ness, but I'll wait and see what happens before forming an opinion, everyone, even Trumpet deserves time to show who they really are and what they can actually do.

SS it doesn't bode well when people of the ilk of Sarah Palin, Chris Christie and Newt Gingrich are spoken about as the equivalent of our Ministers. Similarly, a possible nomination for the EPA is a climate change/global warming sceptic.

One of his promises was to scrap Obamacare and replace it with something, and I paraphrase "better and oh so much cheaper".

How is he going to deport 11 million people? This would include a significant number who are parents of American kids.

Similarly, how is he going to get all the manufacturing jobs back that he promises? Will the wages be something like $5.00 an hour? There will be a lot of disillusioned working class elevtors in Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc.

Also, I note that H Clinton was leading in the popular vote.

Swan the popular vote thing has also happened here where the winning party had less of the popular vote but won their votes where it counted. HC had massive wins in the north east and all down the west coast but not enough states to get enough ECV's Trumpet had narrow wins in more states, if you win the state by one vote or 100,000 votes you still only get whatever number of ECV's that state has to offer. Whenever a pollie opens their mouth they are usually being clumsy with the truth, we had that here with Rudd, Guillard, Howard and the like. Trumpet will back away very quickly from a number of his loony promises, just like all pollies from all sides do almost without exception.

Well he's already said one of his first priorities is immigration and Australian politicians should be watching and taking notes. No doubt what he is referring to is cracking down on Muslim immigration because let's be honest. It was Muslim immigrants that learned to fly those planes into the the world trade centre towers.

Unfortunately in today's world even if the Muslim parents are of the highest integrity and law abiding citizens their kids are too easily influenced and radicalised from what they can see on the internet or attending secret meetings with radical clerics.

The western world really is dumb sometimes. We have allowed it to happen here and now we are at risk and it's costing a bloody fortune trying to use all the Intel available to keep up with these now home grown nut job losers that want to do abhorrent things to innocent people like we've seen in Europe.

DD wrote: Well he's already said one of his first priorities is immigration and Australian politicians should be watching and taking notes. No doubt what he is referring to is cracking down on Muslim immigration because let's be honest. It was Muslim immigrants that learned to fly those planes into the the world trade centre towers.

Unfortunately in today's world even if the Muslim parents are of the highest integrity and law abiding citizens their kids are too easily influenced and radicalised from what they can see on the internet or attending secret meetings with radical clerics.

The western world really is dumb sometimes. We have allowed it to happen here and now we are at risk and it's costing a bloody fortune trying to use all the Intel available to keep up with these now home grown nut job losers that want to do abhorrent things to innocent people like we've seen in Europe.

DD perhaps you can provide the amount of money it has cost Australia to relocate ONE person to Cambodia?

As for the complete and utter trash that you have written about Muslims I don't need to say anything more than this sentence.

swan42 wrote:

Senior Seagull wrote: Lots of people making lots of assumptions about a bloke who we really know nothing about, that's what frightens people, Trumpet is not the status quo.

He's been a brilliant self promoter and campaigner with his media grabs and thought bubbles to appeal to the great unwashed of lower/middle America and he's got the gig, now we will have to wait until after Jan 20th to see if there's any substance to this bloke or, he is who he has represented himself to be to the voters a billionaire boofhead sprouting feelgood unsubstantiated promises (gee that does sound like a pollie).

The only thing so far that I have liked about him is his lack of PC-ness, but I'll wait and see what happens before forming an opinion, everyone, even Trumpet deserves time to show who they really are and what they can actually do.

SS it doesn't bode well when people of the ilk of Sarah Palin, Chris Christie and Newt Gingrich are spoken about as the equivalent of our Ministers. Similarly, a possible nomination for the EPA is a climate change/global warming sceptic.

One of his promises was to scrap Obamacare and replace it with something, and I paraphrase "better and oh so much cheaper".

How is he going to deport 11 million people? This would include a significant number who are parents of American kids.

Similarly, how is he going to get all the manufacturing jobs back that he promises? Will the wages be something like $5.00 an hour? There will be a lot of disillusioned working class elevtors in Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc.

Also, I note that H Clinton was leading in the popular vote.

You can add former Ambassador to the UN Bolton to the loons suggested as a possible member of a Trump government. When Glen Beck rejects you as he did D Trump it speaks volumes.

swan42 wrote:

DD wrote: Well he's already said one of his first priorities is immigration and Australian politicians should be watching and taking notes. No doubt what he is referring to is cracking down on Muslim immigration because let's be honest. It was Muslim immigrants that learned to fly those planes into the the world trade centre towers.

Unfortunately in today's world even if the Muslim parents are of the highest integrity and law abiding citizens their kids are too easily influenced and radicalised from what they can see on the internet or attending secret meetings with radical clerics.

The western world really is dumb sometimes. We have allowed it to happen here and now we are at risk and it's costing a bloody fortune trying to use all the Intel available to keep up with these now home grown nut job losers that want to do abhorrent things to innocent people like we've seen in Europe.

DD perhaps you can provide the amount of money it has cost Australia to relocate ONE person to Cambodia?

As for the complete and utter trash that you have written about Muslims I don't need to say anything more than this sentence.

Whatever the cost of relocating ONE person to Cambodia it's worth it because it's put the people smugglers out of business and saved lives in the process. What PRICE do you put on that S42?
You keep being an apologist for Muslims if your party wants to defend the immigration of Muslims it will find itself a long time in opposition.

That self imposed exile didn't last long did it?

Bazza: as you know old son, the President has usurpped power from Congress, particularly since FDR's day pure and simple. Reagan even forget that Congress was around at all during the Iran-Contra problem.

Swan 42: unfortunately the popular vote matters little because Trump has the electoral college, which is why I stressed that he had a chance to win if you looked at the state by state polls.

The system dates back to 1787, and I promise you without it, the US would not have exited today. After their treason against the Crown, and the Treaty of Paris with Britain in 1783, it took six years of bitching for the smaller states to agree to the Constitution.

No smaller state will agree to reform of the electoral college today.