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Cardy wrote: Ben dont know if you have alternative motives for Subiaco oval being used
The Subi Bar must of made a million on the day.. WPFC Reserves had the Presidents bar until we were kicked out.. Your Function room was packed body to body.
You couldnt move in the place... $10 for a pint and a few thousand ltrs of beer would of been drunk amongst other things. How much did The Subiaco club make on the day in a Bar they shouldnt even have...
They lost the lease payments on the oval a couple of years ago so the WAFL/WAFC as comphensation for losing that when the Bar should of been given to all the WAFL clubs as and it should of been a WAFL bar with takings being split amongst the clubs.
The Subiaco Football club got a bonus they shouldnt of got only because they have members in the WAFC who wanted to look after them
Subiaco must be the richest club in the WAFL with the income they made from the Leasing of the oval and now the Bar.

They earn money far in excess of what any other club can make on bar and food sales because of this "ARRANGEMENT"

Sorry if your offended by this statement but I have posted on it before.
I would like just one reason why the SFC was given this bar when the WAFC had no obligation to make this sweetheart deal.
The bar and facilities are used by the AFL clubs as well for pre match functions etc where the money goes to the SFC..

As I have said the facilities should of been given to the WAFL Clubs as a revenue income not just Subi.

Great to see you raising this old chestnut Cardy.
Just a bit of background and history for those who may not be aware. For all the time that Subi have existed at Subi oval up until around '71 the club was never permitted to have a license due to the WAFL having a license based in the old WAFL members stand, Subi had no facilities for members apart from a space under the old wooden public stand where tressles would be set up and a keg snuck in for a few ales. No kitchens no members hall right up until the current building that sits behind the 3 tier stand, hence very few people bothered to become a SFC member, they like my parents and many Subi supporters of the day became WAFL members. With the new building came the license, so finally like all other clubs had had for decades, we had a members hall and a bar to attract members and supporters, but still couldn't stand in the bar and watch the game like at most other clubs, that didn't happen till 2004 with the move to Leedo. Subi built paid for and own that building but the land it stands on is leased from the Subi Council, so nothing was given to us. The clubs members seating which used to be infront of the "salubrious" red brick change rooms was moved into the NW forward pocket when the stands were built. The game changed when the AFL teams came along and through good fortune and the fact that Subi held the lease the club was able to benefit from the fact that AFL games were played at our ground each week and we had established facilities to cater for the punters that attended. Remember the seats were offered to all clubs back then but no other clubs took the offer up. When the final 11 year lease was negotiated in the 90's Subi were smart enough and negotiated strongly enough to get an exit clause added which was either a one of payout to hand over the seats or the option to carry on with the seats for a further 5 years. This was a gamble as we had no actual idea back then when a new stadium would be built. All the procrastinating by various governments meant we get the full 5 years before the joint is trashed. So Subi have not been given anything but have been a fortunate beneficiary of the circumstances of their historic location, maybe a bit of karma for what the club had to put up with for it first 70+ years of existence, no wonder we have such a small support base why would you bother following a club with nothing to offer in the way of facilities. Subi is wealthy club probably the wealthiest club outside the AFL along with Centrals in SA. But few realize that we were already pretty much debt free by the time the Eagles came along in '87. The great man Kevin Merrifield saved the club (along with some help from other supporters) with his business acumen and connections and set up succession plan where smart well connected business men controlled and ran the club.

Would a West Perth, Claremont, Swans or any other club have played the same hand differently? I think not. Hopefully that helps put some perspective into this subject and the view that Subi have been gifted everything they have.

Just wondering what we all think of the investment that's going into Joondalup for new facilities, primarily for the WPFC which I personally believe are long overdue, is that being fully funded by the WPFC? Are the new Claremont oval facilities fully funded by the CFC, What are the arrangements for the massive new development at Lathlain, is the PFC clubs part of the facilities fully funded by the club? If not then following Cardy's thinking any income generated by those new facilities should be shared amongst all the 7 WAFL clubs.

Great article Seagul and enjoyed reading it as bit of history.
I found it interesting because I was under the assumption Subi was WAFL HQ until they moved to Leederville.
That means it was the ground all GF were played on by all WAFL clubs. Ok it was Subiaco home ground but did Subiaco actually own it. It appears so with the leasing arrangements?

So along came the AFL club (s) and it became their home ground. Subi moved to Leederville and from memory were getting around 500,000 a year under the leasing arrangement.
When the lease ran out (to quote the exact words from the WAFC/WAFC they allowed Subi to retain the club rooms and Function/Bar area which within itself was open on all AFL games and WAFL GF's etc. I went to a couple of Dockers games where they utilized the Function room for pre game/half time/ post game etc for meals and entertainment.
Now I assume the Eagles did the same? At what cost? I suggest quite a bit.

I must admit I enjoy your Clubrooms at Leederville and you can see a bit more money went into that over the EP Shit hole and shit beer. I even drink at the Subi bar when we play your club. Not a problem as the Subi guys are not feral and a great bunch of people.

Now we have your suggestion re Joondalup and totally disagree with your point on sharing the income as WP have had the wrong end of the stick for a long time. As for Lathlain cant see a problem and West Toast are obviously looking at a training ground with the advent of the new Oval.. Location and the fact Subi oval will most probably become residential.
The WAFC/WAFL should be able to make a quid out of that if they are the owners or is it the council?

I must say it did strike me as strange that 8 million I think is being invested in Joondalup but lets not forget it is not just a Footy oval but a sports complex that improves the Facilities in the Northern suburbs. WP will have the club rooms because at the moment the area we have is not actually ours so we do not have a club room as such.
The rooms we use to put our memorabilia up etc are actually owned by Venues West and the sporting complex. I do find it strange though that this money was gifted by the WA Government and other interested parties. I suspect the AFL have had a hand in it and it is part of their future planning?

One thing that concerns me is if the way the WAFL is going whether any one will be turning up to use the facilities eg supporters.

Now this could lead to a long topic that will take us over the Summer and off season break as there are so many variables.. as you say with CLA.PERTH,WP and yourself.

I assume if Subi is bulldozed that will include your Bar there as well and cant see the WAFC letting you have another at the new stadium?

I agree with you if it was any other club they would of taken the same line as your club and also taken up the :COMPENSATION: offer from the WAFC. If they would of been compensated is another point though.

If as you claim your club had 3.5 mill in the bank before the lease and Bar started where did they get that from? Are you saying Subiaco were the only club with good management?
Would be interested in your reply.. I suggest your association with Subiaco is the reason your club is so financial. The ground sharing with EP cuts costs so that helps as well and I can see it happening with other clubs down the line.
It creates a bit of a tangled web as EP could move to Lathlain with Perth as the MAJORITY of their team being Eagles will be training there. But thats another topic.

Anyway mate I have opened another can of worms I suppose but appreciate your input as interesting subject.

Funny that Cardy. Could have sworn I saw you and Strono in the East Perth members area last Sunday week.

swan42 wrote: The attendance at the GF on Sunday is an indictment on the WAFC, the Eagles' and Dockers' host club alignment, and "East Perth". The fact that a decision was made to tape off areas of the ground, in particular those undercover in the upper levels given the predicted weather conditions, demonstrated that the WAFC were expecting a poor crowd.

The weather conditions had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the pathetic attendance; it was unambiguously due to the host club arrangement and the contempt for "East Perth". If two G7 clubs had played in the GF there would have been a significantly higher attendance.

We can expect nothing from the spineless WAFC. The only way the host club alignment can be abandoned is if there is a change in East Perth's board and East Perth tell the Eagles and the WAFC that they will no longer be a party to it. It also should be other clubs' members' responsibility to indicate to their respective boards that they do not accept the host club alignment and they will not agree to their club entering into such an arrangement. Specifically, it is a message which Perth members need to send to their President in clear and unequivocal terms. I believe that the Swans' board is in no doubt as to what the views and wishes of the Swans' members with respect to the host club alignment.

Geez I've read some ridiculous comments on this site over the last 16 months but this one in regards to the weather having no impact on the crowd size takes the cake.

Clear-View wrote: Funny that Cardy. Could have sworn I saw you and Strono in the East Perth members area last Sunday week.

Yeh mate I was there to talk to The Rock actually. Was looking for him.
We didnt have a beer and were only there for about 5 minutes
I went over and had a couple sit La Hincha after that in the main grandstand and then into the Subi bar for a couple before leaving..

As for the weather having no impact I agree unless every GF since 1944 was Dry
I have been to a few GF where the weather was not different and still at least 8000 More than this game.. The numbers given were fudged as well as Huge amount of free tickets given out that were not actually WAFL free entry cards that are the norm but Ticketmaster tickets that alludes me to think once the WAFC bought them or got them for nothing those tickets would of been counted as entry tickets and added to the crowd figure where a lot of them would of not been used...
I had one mate... it had Cost $00 on it!!!! Strange..
Lots of SD and WP people there as well and it makes you wonder WHY so many would turn up to watch 4 G7 Clubs play before the BIG EVENT???? whereas for the Big event the crowd seemed to drop off? Surely the majority of people attending in the past would of been their for the Senior Game dont you agree.

Pretty logical to me... Weather had nothing to do with it.

Weather didn't have much to do with it, in 92 it was shithouse, and we got over 30 k, and that was when you stood on open concrete terrace.

Cardy wrote: Great article Seagul and enjoyed reading it as bit of history.
I found it interesting because I was under the assumption Subi was WAFL HQ until they moved to Leederville.
That means it was the ground all GF were played on by all WAFL clubs. Ok it was Subiaco home ground but did Subiaco actually own it. It appears so with the leasing arrangements?

So along came the AFL club (s) and it became their home ground. Subi moved to Leederville and from memory were getting around 500,000 a year under the leasing arrangement.
When the lease ran out (to quote the exact words from the WAFC/WAFC they allowed Subi to retain the club rooms and Function/Bar area which within itself was open on all AFL games and WAFL GF's etc. I went to a couple of Dockers games where they utilized the Function room for pre game/half time/ post game etc for meals and entertainment.
Now I assume the Eagles did the same? At what cost? I suggest quite a bit.

I must admit I enjoy your Clubrooms at Leederville and you can see a bit more money went into that over the EP Shit hole and shit beer. I even drink at the Subi bar when we play your club. Not a problem as the Subi guys are not feral and a great bunch of people.

Now we have your suggestion re Joondalup and totally disagree with your point on sharing the income as WP have had the wrong end of the stick for a long time. As for Lathlain cant see a problem and West Toast are obviously looking at a training ground with the advent of the new Oval.. Location and the fact Subi oval will most probably become residential.
The WAFC/WAFL should be able to make a quid out of that if they are the owners or is it the council?

I must say it did strike me as strange that 8 million I think is being invested in Joondalup but lets not forget it is not just a Footy oval but a sports complex that improves the Facilities in the Northern suburbs. WP will have the club rooms because at the moment the area we have is not actually ours so we do not have a club room as such.
The rooms we use to put our memorabilia up etc are actually owned by Venues West and the sporting complex. I do find it strange though that this money was gifted by the WA Government and other interested parties. I suspect the AFL have had a hand in it and it is part of their future planning?

One thing that concerns me is if the way the WAFL is going whether any one will be turning up to use the facilities eg supporters.

Now this could lead to a long topic that will take us over the Summer and off season break as there are so many variables.. as you say with CLA.PERTH,WP and yourself.

I assume if Subi is bulldozed that will include your Bar there as well and cant see the WAFC letting you have another at the new stadium?

I agree with you if it was any other club they would of taken the same line as your club and also taken up the :COMPENSATION: offer from the WAFC. If they would of been compensated is another point though.

If as you claim your club had 3.5 mill in the bank before the lease and Bar started where did they get that from? Are you saying Subiaco were the only club with good management?
Would be interested in your reply.. I suggest your association with Subiaco is the reason your club is so financial. The ground sharing with EP cuts costs so that helps as well and I can see it happening with other clubs down the line.
It creates a bit of a tangled web as EP could move to Lathlain with Perth as the MAJORITY of their team being Eagles will be training there. But thats another topic.

Anyway mate I have opened another can of worms I suppose but appreciate your input as interesting subject.

Mate all bets are off at the new stadium although it would be a little too forward thinking for the WAFC to allocate say 250 seats to the 7 WAFL clubs as a way of them generating a steady income. 2100 seats out of 60k wouldn't be missed but that money ($10k per game) would be gold to all clubs. I can just see the WCE & Freo going apeshit at that prospect!!

Just one thing to finish on ... for the time being .... never said Subes had $3.5mill in the bank, just that were pretty much debt free by the time WCE came long after being a total financial basket case 5 or 6 years earlier. We had/have top notch management especially when compared to what was happening during the 70's & very early 80's, but that's not exclusive to us.

Anyway still basking in sundays afterglow and the fact that nobody out there is prepared to own up to being a feral Eagles fan, maybe when the weather warms up they might be coaxed out from under that grubby rock. Enjoy the summer Cardy

To say the weather didn't have any impact on the crowd size is really a poor reflection on yourself.

But, hey if you want to believe that go ahead.

I'll tell the 2 Subi guys at work a WP supporter thinks you're lying about your reason for not attending.

Clear-View wrote: To say the weather didn't have any impact on the crowd size is really a poor reflection on yourself.

But, hey if you want to believe that go ahead.

I'll tell the 2 Subi guys at work a WP supporter thinks you're lying about your reason for not attending.

GO FOR IT BUDDY... Tell them that.. real keen supporters considering a huge number of Swans/WP supporters went along paid their money at the premium price to watch their Colts and Reserves teams and in most cases didnt stay for the big one...Ok a few CLA supporters would of been there as well.
To be honest if WP wasnt playing in any of the games I wouldnt of been there and I assume the Swannies and Tigers wouldnt of been either..

Shit Subi had teams in the Reserves and the league so they go a bonus...and then got the biggest bonus of all a win against the Feral Eagles.

No interviews on 91.3 with any of the Ferals either.. Dawson is most probably hiding along with the rest of the Sycophants 2 Years in a row losers - shit that must hurt

Yes more disappointing than last year even though a win would have not meant much to me. Was more disappointed for players like Wulff and the true EP players.

But you can have 6th place, a sandover and a reserves premiership every year for mine if that makes you happy.