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On that he just refuses to accept that:

1. EPFC, SDFC and PFC each have no, zero, zilch chance of being consistently competitive, and

2. Of those three zones PFC’s is the shittiest.
 

EP has the shitest zone of all 9 clubs. 

Perth is way ahead of EP in all aspects you want to measure. 

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Hey TT great post a lot of work went into that.One query though on 2009 Wafc data.
In 12 years since then we have had a 4 year recession.And a resources and real estate boom and bust.And another big upturn on the way..
Those busts tend to hurt the poorer more than the wealthy..Smack bang in the Perth Metro + rural zones.

All country zones would have been impacted by the economic downturn and agree certain suburbs in the metro area across several WAFL zones would have been hit harder.

Have Perth been impacted more than EP, SD, WP or S though, as all have similar SES challenges within their zones. 
In 2009 Perth had the highest number of Yr 12 teams - 9, Peel and Swans lowest with 0. 

Last years Yr 11/12 boys metro teams:
Northern Conference (C, S & WP) -  21
Central Conference (EP, P & SD) - 25 
Fremantle Conference (EF & SF) - 21

Not going to break it down to each WAFL club but looks like Perth had 7 teams with clubs such as South Perth not fielding Yr 11/12 teams due to the influence of PSA schools in the Perth zone. 

Birdman might be able to elaborate more on junior numbers in the Perth zone. 




 

Are you really trying to suggest that there would be more students who attend the three PSA schools living in the Perth zone than students who attend the three PSA schools living in the Claremont zone?

 

Pretty clear that I said junior clubs such as South Perth failed to field a Yr 11/12 team due the influence of the PSA schools in the Perth zone. 

No comparison of PSA students in Perth or Claremont zones mentioned. 

The numbers of players in your zone are not an issue and the talent is comparative to most WAFL clubs. Your junior clubs are already doing a great job getting players off the couch to play footy, they are doing a great job developing their skills. They are doing a great job getting them through to Yr 12 footy and you are one of the few clubs with PSA schools in your zone that a number of you zoned players attend (have a look at the schools your drafted Perth players went too) 

No one is asking you to become a movement, but there has been consistent commentary for years that PFC doesn’t engage with their Junior and Ammo clubs. When people from those clubs or Perth supporters post on here you tell them they are wrong! 

Football is one of the great levellers in life. Your ability isnt linked to the car your parents drive, what school you went to or what job you do! None of that matters when the siren goes. 

And don’t assume a Claremont supporter, who was in Claremont’s zone (would be Subis zone now) didn’t go to a public school and play at junior club that had all of the issues that you’ve spoken about. We were the poorest kids in the Claremont squad along with the indigenous boys from outside of Broome and Albany. 

I get the issues you’re talking about but ultimately they are just excuses. 

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"Can your coaches do their Level One through PFC? No - not sure about Junior Clubs

Were junior club reps invited to match day lunches for ages and were coaches given access on match day to behind the scenes stuff? No.

Are end of years still done at Latho with everyone in for free? Junior Clubs yes, senior Clubs not invited - we only hear from PFC when they want something.


Havd players come to training and carnivals? Are PFC people at finals? No and no for Senior Clubs. Yes and I don't know for Junior Clubs


Does your club ever experience difficulty getting good coaches? Yes

Does your club ever experience difficulty with kids not turning up to training/not having right gear/not paying fees? No, no and yes.

Mate I feel your pain but having a crack at PFC is not the answer. PFC is in exactly the same boat as it’s junior clubs, struggling because of inputs. The PFC is an outcome of the zone, not really an input. If PFC provided input, community Clubs would be better placed to provide output.

The community club stuff is a load of old tosh.  It's what the WAFL said to the parliamentary inquiry.

WAFL clubs exist to win flags, of course they do. As do community Clubs. PFC hasn't won one in 30 odd years

What exactly have you heard about swans?  What are they doing?  I have heard they have a new programme for involvement with community Clubs - and that it's working. Certainly hearing a LOT less complaints about them. You think if sdfc or sffc of sfc has your club in its zone it would be any different? I would only hope so - we certainly wouldn't be worse off than we are now as we get and hear NOTHING.

And yes I am making excuses for PFC,damn right. It deserves them. It has a difficult zone and then people in the zone whinge about it rather than helping it. PFC does not deserve excuses - they need to provide leadership. They need to be the Club our players aspire to be a part of and that is NOT the case.

Everyone in the zone should be saying it’s not good enough, not pointing finger at each other,

Under the current system our poor kids have nothing to aim for that they might reach - it is afl or bust.  PFC is underesourced and piss weak.  They hate it but what can they do??? They could start by going out to visit local Clubs and show at least a little interest.

What can  PFC realistically do with your club yo improve the depth of its list? Be honest the answer is, with the meagre resources it has, nothing. As above - visit us occasionally and show a little interest. We don't need your money (or your equipment) so resources are not the issue. Start by telling each of your Directors to visit 2 or 3 community Clubs each, 2 or 3 times per year, anywhere between January and September. At a maximum that would be 9 visits per year (one per month) on a game day, or on a training night or Committee Meeting Talk to the South Perth JFC President - he gave evidence that his Club had not seen anyone from PFC in 5 or 6 years - and they are not exactly in a lower socio-economic area so please don't use that as an excuse for you inaction!!!

I feel you mate but you are way off. I don't think so!!!"

A question was asked about Junior Clubs with year 11/12 teams in the SE corridor. I will probably miss some Clubs (and may get one or wrong), but here goes:

No - Armadale, Forrestdale, Piara Waters, Kelmscott, Gosnells, Huntingdale (will have in 2021), Maddington, Lynwood-Ferndale

Yes - Thornlie, Canning Vale, Kenwick, High Wycombe, Roleystone

Not sure - Belmont

WAFC acknowledged to us two years ago the dire state of junior football in the SE corridor but we have yet to see any visible action from them..

As a Club, we do, and will continue to do, what we can.

Comparing average height between Claremont and Perth colts listed in the budget this week. Claremont have 34 listed at an average height of 191.11cm. Perth have 32 listed at an average height of 186.71. Claremont have just 11 players out of 34 under 180cm. Perth have 16 out of 32(exactly half the list) under 180cm. I bet you do that exercise any year over the last 30 years and it will reveal a similar tale of the tape. Diet, exercise, education, genetics, lifestyle???

Yes, I'm from a Senior Club.

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Comparing average height between Claremont and Perth colts listed in the budget this week. Claremont have 34 listed at an average height of 191.11cm. Perth have 32 listed at an average height of 186.71. Claremont have just 11 players out of 34 under 180cm. Perth have 16 out of 32(exactly half the list) under 180cm. I bet you do that exercise any year over the last 30 years and it will reveal a similar tale of the tape. Diet, exercise, education, genetics, lifestyle???

Similarly comparing the league average height. Claremont and Perth had 35 listed, Claremont average height 184.97, Perth 180.2. Interesting that average height of both clubs was considerably taller in the colts compared to the league.

Birdman, thank you for your input.
It's incredulous that our Club does very little.
It continually prattles on about being Community based and the importance of it.
Putting your senior Club aside for a minute, I find it mind boggling that junior Club like South Perth JFC has not seen anyone from the Club for 5-6 years.
If this is the case then we deserve to be at the bottom of the ladder for 40 odd years.
The talent department has a responsibility to know what is coming through and should be engaging with all junior Clubs.
Not sure Directors need to be seen monthly but someone should be seen at least quarterly.
I would prefer someone who knows a bit about football rather than a Director.
There should also be players visiting the junior Clubs for training.
With a list of 35 senior players, it would not be hard to share the workload around.
As far as your senior Club is concerned, yes they should be visited, again by someone who can identify talent.
Not sure about how often, but my immediate priority would be to get the junior support up to scratch first.
Are you aware what Clubs like Subi, Cl, SFFC & EFFC do?
I would love to hear further from you.

I notice that we don't have someone on staff responsible for Community engagement.
We should have!!!
Our finances are not flushed as some other Clubs but there does need to be some effort.
Was there not a WAFL staff member employed at each Club at some stage?
Has this ceased?

Have not said that the zone doesn't need to be looked at!!
What I have said is something I have feared for a couple of decades.
Lack of work from within.
Having said that I am aware of the financial plight the Club has been in for that time.
A lot of work has been done on finances and it can continue to improve.
But we need some success for that improvement to continue.
But, we do need to look at the way we work our zones.