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BC wrote:

Dwert, can you please explain what the Voice can recommend to parliament about this and other issues that's not being done already and if they have solutions to indigenous problems, why hasn't the government acted on it before? To me, the Voice is just wishful thinking without a lot of substance and isn't any different to NIAA which already has 1,200 staff and a budget of over $4b.

www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/indige...-voice-to-parliament

BC Might answer your question?

Fair enough Dwert, but I'm not sure the differences as outlined in the article are all the huge and even if they are, surely the government of the day could tweak the purpose and responsibilities of the NIAA to make it more independent and fit for purpose in providing advice to the government on policies and legislation given the CEO and two of the three DCEO's are indigenous.

BC wrote:

Fair enough Dwert, but I'm not sure the differences as outlined in the article are all the huge and even if they are, surely the government of the day could tweak the purpose and responsibilities of the NIAA to make it more independent and fit for purpose in providing advice to the government on policies and legislation given the CEO and two of the three DCEO's are indigenous.

NIAA complete waste of tax payer money. An agency set up by the Govt to look after  a majority of non Aboriginal public servants that they have no idea what to do with.  
NIAA can be struck out by the stroke of a pen, Voice is enshrined and  all Aboriginal representation.  

Dwert wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

All these absurd ad keep saying is the life expectancy is lower for indigenous, as is the infant mortality rate. 
Probably true, but what were those figures before white men showed up?  Considerably worse?  
Hard to out grow 60,000 years of evolution in 250 years.  They blame racism, id blame genetics. 

Infant mortality was very high prior to European arrival, infact Infanticide was regularly practiced, second born twins were killed as they were too difficult to carry in a hunter gatherer lifestyle, those that could not walk to the next seasonal hunting ground - elderly or disabled were left behind to die. Inter tribal warfare was common as was brutal tribal punishment spearing that would result in death. Life expectancy was low. 

Bazz and McBob you are both tools , FACTS www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/1-23-l...other%20neoplasms%20(Table%20D1.

Stop spreading untruths and crap 

What does that report (5 years of data) have to do with the significant improvement in indigenous health brought on over the last 250 years?  
Coincidently that's in line with white man medicine and medical practices rocking up here. 
 

Mcbob wrote:

Dwert wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

All these absurd ad keep saying is the life expectancy is lower for indigenous, as is the infant mortality rate. 
Probably true, but what were those figures before white men showed up?  Considerably worse?  
Hard to out grow 60,000 years of evolution in 250 years.  They blame racism, id blame genetics. 

Infant mortality was very high prior to European arrival, infact Infanticide was regularly practiced, second born twins were killed as they were too difficult to carry in a hunter gatherer lifestyle, those that could not walk to the next seasonal hunting ground - elderly or disabled were left behind to die. Inter tribal warfare was common as was brutal tribal punishment spearing that would result in death. Life expectancy was low. 

Bazz and McBob you are both tools , FACTS www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/1-23-l...other%20neoplasms%20(Table%20D1.

Stop spreading untruths and crap 

What does that report (5 years of data) have to do with the significant improvement in indigenous health brought on over the last 250 years?  
Coincidently that's in line with white man medicine and medical practices rocking up here. 

 

And how about sending your kids to school instead of letting them run amok on the streets stealing and vandalising other peoples property so we might see the first Aboriginal scientist helping find new medicines and doctors to serve in Aboriginal communities???

Mcbob wrote:

Dwert wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

All these absurd ad keep saying is the life expectancy is lower for indigenous, as is the infant mortality rate. 
Probably true, but what were those figures before white men showed up?  Considerably worse?  
Hard to out grow 60,000 years of evolution in 250 years.  They blame racism, id blame genetics. 

Infant mortality was very high prior to European arrival, infact Infanticide was regularly practiced, second born twins were killed as they were too difficult to carry in a hunter gatherer lifestyle, those that could not walk to the next seasonal hunting ground - elderly or disabled were left behind to die. Inter tribal warfare was common as was brutal tribal punishment spearing that would result in death. Life expectancy was low. 

Bazz and McBob you are both tools , FACTS www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/1-23-l...other%20neoplasms%20(Table%20D1.

Stop spreading untruths and crap 

What does that report (5 years of data) have to do with the significant improvement in indigenous health brought on over the last 250 years?  
Coincidently that's in line with white man medicine and medical practices rocking up here. 

 

Facts on the current health status of first Nations people McBob, Its a bit shallow to put it down to genetics alone as you refer.  There are a truck load of reasons why First Nations Health is in the current situation have read an educate yourself.    

DD wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

Dwert wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

All these absurd ad keep saying is the life expectancy is lower for indigenous, as is the infant mortality rate. 
Probably true, but what were those figures before white men showed up?  Considerably worse?  
Hard to out grow 60,000 years of evolution in 250 years.  They blame racism, id blame genetics. 

Infant mortality was very high prior to European arrival, infact Infanticide was regularly practiced, second born twins were killed as they were too difficult to carry in a hunter gatherer lifestyle, those that could not walk to the next seasonal hunting ground - elderly or disabled were left behind to die. Inter tribal warfare was common as was brutal tribal punishment spearing that would result in death. Life expectancy was low. 

Bazz and McBob you are both tools , FACTS www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/1-23-l...other%20neoplasms%20(Table%20D1.

Stop spreading untruths and crap 

What does that report (5 years of data) have to do with the significant improvement in indigenous health brought on over the last 250 years?  
Coincidently that's in line with white man medicine and medical practices rocking up here. 


 

And how about sending your kids to school instead of letting them run amok on the streets stealing and vandalising other peoples property so we might see the first Aboriginal scientist helping find new medicines and doctors to serve in Aboriginal communities???

Here comes the banjo playing DD from Boorloo with his personal attack  Mate if you care to get out of your cocoon you will find lots of Aboriginal people doing well and achieving great things. Are you not the moderator of this site?  

Dwert wrote:

DD wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

Dwert wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

All these absurd ad keep saying is the life expectancy is lower for indigenous, as is the infant mortality rate. 
Probably true, but what were those figures before white men showed up?  Considerably worse?  
Hard to out grow 60,000 years of evolution in 250 years.  They blame racism, id blame genetics. 

Infant mortality was very high prior to European arrival, infact Infanticide was regularly practiced, second born twins were killed as they were too difficult to carry in a hunter gatherer lifestyle, those that could not walk to the next seasonal hunting ground - elderly or disabled were left behind to die. Inter tribal warfare was common as was brutal tribal punishment spearing that would result in death. Life expectancy was low. 

Bazz and McBob you are both tools , FACTS www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/1-23-l...other%20neoplasms%20(Table%20D1.

Stop spreading untruths and crap 

What does that report (5 years of data) have to do with the significant improvement in indigenous health brought on over the last 250 years?  
Coincidently that's in line with white man medicine and medical practices rocking up here. 





 

And how about sending your kids to school instead of letting them run amok on the streets stealing and vandalising other peoples property so we might see the first Aboriginal scientist helping find new medicines and doctors to serve in Aboriginal communities???

Here comes the banjo playing DD from Boorloo with his personal attack

 Mate if you care to get out of your cocoon you will find lots of Aboriginal people doing well and achieving great things. Are you not the moderator of this site?  

You want to talk facts but you can’t handle the truth. I’m sure I’ve heard that phrase somewhere before  .
I live in a very nice villa in Midland and I see and experienced the atrocious behaviour of Aboriginal people every day in my area both kids and so called adults. It’s such a shame because Midland, apart from that is a very nice suburb, actually like a small city with everything you need. But I have witnessed and experienced disgusting behaviour. And yes I am a moderator here what is your point? Got something to complain about?

Hey Dwert. I admire your calm demeanour. It would be easy to get riled up on something so close to your heart. Back to the subject, I think the real issue is making every dollar spent on indigenous people work as hard as possible.

By my calculation, based on 3% of total population and $37b additional spend, each First Nations person gets around $50k per year allocated to them through various grants, schemes, funds etc. The problem is with trickle down economics, the person in the remote town gets very little due to admin, overheads, salaries and so on.

We, as a society and as taxpayers, need to be more efficient in the way these $ are spent to make sure maximum benefit goes to the people who need it most.

That is far more important imo than a Voice. A root and branch forensic audit to reduce waste, duplication and diversion of funds elsewhere should be the first order of the day both federally and in the states.

DD wrote:

Dwert wrote:

DD wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

Dwert wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Mcbob wrote:

All these absurd ad keep saying is the life expectancy is lower for indigenous, as is the infant mortality rate. 
Probably true, but what were those figures before white men showed up?  Considerably worse?  
Hard to out grow 60,000 years of evolution in 250 years.  They blame racism, id blame genetics. 

Infant mortality was very high prior to European arrival, infact Infanticide was regularly practiced, second born twins were killed as they were too difficult to carry in a hunter gatherer lifestyle, those that could not walk to the next seasonal hunting ground - elderly or disabled were left behind to die. Inter tribal warfare was common as was brutal tribal punishment spearing that would result in death. Life expectancy was low. 

Bazz and McBob you are both tools , FACTS www.indigenoushpf.gov.au/measures/1-23-l...other%20neoplasms%20(Table%20D1.

Stop spreading untruths and crap 

What does that report (5 years of data) have to do with the significant improvement in indigenous health brought on over the last 250 years?  
Coincidently that's in line with white man medicine and medical practices rocking up here. 






 

And how about sending your kids to school instead of letting them run amok on the streets stealing and vandalising other peoples property so we might see the first Aboriginal scientist helping find new medicines and doctors to serve in Aboriginal communities???

Here comes the banjo playing DD from Boorloo with his personal attack

 Mate if you care to get out of your cocoon you will find lots of Aboriginal people doing well and achieving great things. Are you not the moderator of this site?  

You want to talk facts but you can’t handle the truth. I’m sure I’ve heard that phrase somewhere before 

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I live in a very nice villa in Midland and I see and experienced the atrocious behaviour of Aboriginal people every day in my area both kids and so called adults. It’s such a shame because Midland, apart from that is a very nice suburb, actually like a small city with everything you need. But I have witnessed and experienced disgusting behaviour. And yes I am a moderator here what is your point? Got something to complain about?

Not all Aboriginal people are criminals DD. Your original comment painting all Aboriginal people as criminals is bullshit...