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Unholytugboat wrote: Wrong. Grass roots football is where my interest is. Proper community football, not wafl.

I'll start Less than 2% , I would suggest wafl clubs with there volunteer coaches have a poor track record of developing talent.

From the 3 Swan Districts Colts Premiership Sides in the last 9 years the numbers to have gone on to play WAFL League footy are-

2007-19 (86%)
2008-15 (68%)
2014-13 (59%) *there will be at least another 3 who will play League footy this year injury permitting.

And you say less than 2% overall which is completely staggering actually beyond belief, other clubs like Claremont, SF etc would have similar numbers.
There must be a lot of sides in negative numbers to come up with less than 2%...just wow!

Factor opinion wrote: Hi UnholyT, Grump seems to think that the quality of development coaching is good. Where do you think it is failing within WAFL Development pathways?

I am only talking about East Perth given my direct involvement but we have been through 4 coaches in my time, an ex AFLWCE player who thought that the boys should be able to do what he did and thought nothing of showing boys up, the next was a very good 16's coach who started out being quite angry but by the end of the third year was doing well, we then had a very forgettable coach who may have been good with 10 year olds but was atrocious at colts and we now have an outstanding coach who understands the boys the age and the expectations. Apart from the one year even tho' my comments may not seem like it they all added to the process and did develop the boys into good footballers who do well at what ever level they choose.

Looking form the outside at the other clubs I would suggest that only 2 clubs in recent times have let their colts and development programmes down and they are WP and S, it is my opinion.

Grump - i take it that you were the bloke who got Life Membership at EP ?
if so well done.

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: Wrong. Grass roots football is where my interest is. Proper community football, not wafl.

I'll start Less than 2% , I would suggest wafl clubs with there volunteer coaches have a poor track record of developing talent.

From the 3 Swan Districts Colts Premiership Sides in the last 9 years the numbers to have gone on to play WAFL League footy are-

2007-19 (86%)
2008-15 (68%)
2014-13 (59%) *there will be at least another 3 who will play League footy this year injury permitting.

And you say less than 2% overall which is completely staggering actually beyond belief, other clubs like Claremont, SF etc would have similar numbers.
There must be a lot of sides in negative numbers to come up with less than 2%...just wow!

It great that you present numbers from successful groups but how do the rest of the years with less success stack up? Are these percentages based on the 22 best players (those selected in the premiership team) going on to play league? Add in those from the colts squad who weren't selected in the GF side and let's see how much that percentage changes.

Most years WAFL clubs invite 100-130 players to try out for their colts team. Based on the highest number you've provided, 19 from 2007 that have played league footy for Swans the percentage comes out at 14-19%. Now add in all the kids who have been involved in metro and country WAFL development squads who never even reach the colts tryouts then you're percentages are going to come out at a staggeringly low number.

In regards to junior development, colts and most reserves players being used to fund the WAFL league sides, there has been few truer statements made on this site. Ex AFL players being paid upwards of $1000 a week the play league whilst players in the lower grades or development squads are being asked to contribute $500 plus per season for the privileage to representing their designated WAFL club is mind boggling. All so that if a kid is good enough he gets drafted and earns the WAFL club up to $140000.

There are always ways to improve things without having to demolish something else in the process.

I don't see many if any kids who aren't being identified in the metro area.

In fact, I think it's fantastic that so many get an opportunity to play colts even though not all have the ability to play league or AFL.

As mentioned, the biggest problem we have in WA is that for a city of more than 2 million, the participation rates are alarmingly low in Perth.

Sure, I realise that a lot of newcomers to this city are soccer mad but nevertheless....

Tiger Tales wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: Wrong. Grass roots football is where my interest is. Proper community football, not wafl.

I'll start Less than 2% , I would suggest wafl clubs with there volunteer coaches have a poor track record of developing talent.

From the 3 Swan Districts Colts Premiership Sides in the last 9 years the numbers to have gone on to play WAFL League footy are-

2007-19 (86%)
2008-15 (68%)
2014-13 (59%) *there will be at least another 3 who will play League footy this year injury permitting.

And you say less than 2% overall which is completely staggering actually beyond belief, other clubs like Claremont, SF etc would have similar numbers.
There must be a lot of sides in negative numbers to come up with less than 2%...just wow!

It great that you present numbers from successful groups but how do the rest of the years with less success stack up? Are these percentages based on the 22 best players (those selected in the premiership team) going on to play league? Add in those from the colts squad who weren't selected in the GF side and let's see how much that percentage changes.

Most years WAFL clubs invite 100-130 players to try out for their colts team. Based on the highest number you've provided, 19 from 2007 that have played league footy for Swans the percentage comes out at 14-19%. Now add in all the kids who have been involved in metro and country WAFL development squads who never even reach the colts tryouts then you're percentages are going to come out at a staggeringly low number.

In regards to junior development, colts and most reserves players being used to fund the WAFL league sides, there has been few truer statements made on this site. Ex AFL players being paid upwards of $1000 a week the play league whilst players in the lower grades or development squads are being asked to contribute $500 plus per season for the privileage to representing their designated WAFL club is mind boggling. All so that if a kid is good enough he gets drafted and earns the WAFL club up to $140000.

Lies, damn lies and statistics. In case you are not aware there are times when for a variety of reasons the better/more advance colts' players are not available. For example, junkets to who knows where dictated by the AFL; the 18s carnival; students attending PSA schools; injuries; to name a few reasons. During those times it is necessary for the WAFL clubs to supplement their lists and probably from their development squads. It is patently obvious that not all players in all the development squads will progress to WAFL league. That is not too dissimilar to not all players drafted to an AFL club play at the AFL level.

I can't speak directly to what junior development players may or not pay. Just so people can compare and contrast if a junior tennis player is getting private lessons their parents would be paying in the region of $50-$90 per hour for each lesson. That doesn't include the cost of shoes, racquets, strings etc. and the likelihood of any of those players progressing to professional ranks would be significantly lower than a member of a junior footy development player progressing to WAFL or AFL level.

Tiger Tales wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: Wrong. Grass roots football is where my interest is. Proper community football, not wafl.

I'll start Less than 2% , I would suggest wafl clubs with there volunteer coaches have a poor track record of developing talent.

From the 3 Swan Districts Colts Premiership Sides in the last 9 years the numbers to have gone on to play WAFL League footy are-

2007-19 (86%)
2008-15 (68%)
2014-13 (59%) *there will be at least another 3 who will play League footy this year injury permitting.

And you say less than 2% overall which is completely staggering actually beyond belief, other clubs like Claremont, SF etc would have similar numbers.
There must be a lot of sides in negative numbers to come up with less than 2%...just wow!

It great that you present numbers from successful groups but how do the rest of the years with less success stack up? Are these percentages based on the 22 best players (those selected in the premiership team) going on to play league? Add in those from the colts squad who weren't selected in the GF side and let's see how much that percentage changes.

Most years WAFL clubs invite 100-130 players to try out for their colts team. Based on the highest number you've provided, 19 from 2007 that have played league footy for Swans the percentage comes out at 14-19%. Now add in all the kids who have been involved in metro and country WAFL development squads who never even reach the colts tryouts then you're percentages are going to come out at a staggeringly low number.

In regards to junior development, colts and most reserves players being used to fund the WAFL league sides, there has been few truer statements made on this site. Ex AFL players being paid upwards of $1000 a week the play league whilst players in the lower grades or development squads are being asked to contribute $500 plus per season for the privileage to representing their designated WAFL club is mind boggling. All so that if a kid is good enough he gets drafted and earns the WAFL club up to $140000.

Where on earth did you get the figure of $140k for a draftee from. It is a flat $35k per draftee before the WAFC put their dibs in.

Just too clarify, I plucked 2% out of thin air as a starting point.

I would however bet my left nut it's less than 10% across the board.

Unless there has be a major change to the payment structure then it's up to $140k per draftee. $35k when first drafted then several milestone payments throughout their careers. These included debut game through to last payment at 200 games. Given the average career of an AFL player is 5-6 seasons then most clubs can earn $70k-100k from a draftee.

Junior club gets $1k if the drafted player is nominated for the NAB Rising Star. Used to be a payment to junior club if AFL player kicked a super goal in the preseason comp.

Unholytugboat wrote: Just too clarify, I plucked 2% out of thin air as a starting point.

I would however bet my left nut it's less than 10% across the board.

Mate, it's a delicate balance between development and winning.

All coaches and players no matter what level they play at want to win a premiership.

It's really down to the senior coaches rather than any direct connection with colts footy in regard to young players graduating to league ranks.

As it stands I think the days of recruiting a lot of interstate players might be over judging by the recruiting for this season.