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in terms of talent the Krakouer brothers and Ralph in 81 were streets ahead of any player Subi had in 86.
Blackwell was also a very good footballer and Doc Aitken could play.
no lack of talent in that team.

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Southerner wrote: We saw one record score after another it seemed - some incredible quarters and from memory there were at least four occasions where teams scored 13 goals in them.
I witnessed 40 in the very last match of the season , still engraved in my memory
Then watched my side kick 4.12 and two out of bounds on the full in the second quarter of the grannie , and again witness Maurice Rioli dominate a game.

Southerner, I thought the Doggies kicked 6.15 in that epic 2nd qtr, but will defer to your better memory. I remember watching it in disbelief as South should have destroyed any chance the Tiges have of winning and watching MR weave his magic was astonishing, one of the best individual efforts I've seen. CL had the better Home and away season but Souths let that GF get away from them with wasted opportunities. Was that the game with the big donnybrook, Beecroft and Jjimmy Krack from CL v big Basil and Benny Vigona with TI trying to drag Jimmy out of the pack, awesome stuff.

Hey mate - unfortunately 6.15 (51) was our half time score and there was an after the siren miss from memory as well as the two out on the fulls' so yeah 4.12 that's a lot of shots in a quarter
South Fremantle had their chances to blow Claremont away but didn't nail them

MarkOlsen wrote: in terms of talent the Krakouer brothers and Ralph in 81 were streets ahead of any player Subi had in 86.
Blackwell was also a very good footballer and Doc Aitken could play.
no lack of talent in that team.

Phil wouldn't have got a kick in the fwd line on Zanotti nor on D.Lamb when on the ball, same applies to Ralph on Crutchfield or Wilkinson. I'll give you Jimmy although the talent of B.Taylor and O'Loughlin can not be underestimated. Even then jimmy would have be starved of the ball due to the dominance of ruckmen Keene and Scott. Aitkin would be no match for the pace, strong hands and lonnng kicking of Dean and blackwell vs Feathers would be pretty even with Feathers just edging him out imo...

Just 2 cents on the comparisons between 1980/82 sides and their 1986/87 compares - even in the relatively short say seven year period the game had shifted it's a bit hard to equally & fairly bang 'em up against each other
But one thing I can tell you is that there wouldn't be too many takers for a dance with the likes of Rioli , Peake , Michael , J.Duckworth , Campbell , Narkle , Wiley , Moss , Krakouer , Beasley and I've left a few others out here
Yeah

to compare Zanotti and Dwayne Lamb to Phil K is laughable, he would run rings around both of them as he showed on many a big stage..
if you reckon Ralph would not have got a kick then Breman was not in Ralph's class so he wouldnt have kicked any either.
there is Malaxos to factor in also.

The only place where Subi would have been better is in the Ruck. Claremont's mid field would have thrashed ours I am afraid. You can't compare the Krakoeur brothers with the Taylor brothers, or for that matter, Panizza and Blackwell, with Macnish and Carpenter. Finally, we would have also had to find a way to quell, not only Ralph, but also Malaxos and Farmer, all of whom were genuine goal sneaks.

Agreed that was a much tougher era for sure but as you said the game had changed. It was a faster running style, no way would the early teams be able to match it. Funny how things went back that way with wc under Malthouse, all turned into tough as nails tanks for the vfl. Peake played in 86, in the side Subi beat with the likes of Budgie, Mainwaring, Neesham, Solin, Brennan, Rowland, Wilson, Harding, Bennett, Wrenstead, Lockyer

The ruck was the only place Subi were better than them in 88 and that turned out well for them

Zanotti got away with a lot in 1986 EF were top heavy and slow: Bennett, Watterson, Browning, Lockyer, an ageing Peake in the forward line.

MarkOlsen wrote: to compare Zanotti and Dwayne Lamb to Phil K is laughable, he would run rings around both of them as he showed on many a big stage..
if you reckon Ralph would not have got a kick then Breman was not in Ralph's class so he wouldnt have kicked any either.
there is Malaxos to factor in also.

Would've loved to see Zanotti and Lamb go straight from wafl to nm, hawks or the blues