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Southerner wrote: Under the terms of this report - AFLWA takes complete control of pathways , that means schools , junior comps whatever the youth level is - everything.
There is no chance in hell WAFL will be let near the AFL brand in any form & anything that involves footy here in WA pretty much has to go past the WAFC(AFLWA)so that is a clear indication we can effectively rule out taking initiatives on your own
And this does not discount how good those ideas are by the way guys

I think a big part of the resistance from WAFL people like you Southerner is your lack of understanding of the current landscape. (Not having a crack at you, unless you are involved at different levels many don't know the current setup.)

AFLWA/WAFC already have control of all the pathways you mentioned except high performance.- schools, junior comps, amateurs the lot.

But if you are any good and over the age of 14, depending on where your parents live you will be assigned to a WAFL club for your future high performance development. - this will now be bought under the WAFC arm with proposed changes.

and then once you dont get drafted they cut you loose and drop the next kid on the production line.

Unholytugboat wrote:

Southerner wrote: Under the terms of this report - AFLWA takes complete control of pathways , that means schools , junior comps whatever the youth level is - everything.
There is no chance in hell WAFL will be let near the AFL brand in any form & anything that involves footy here in WA pretty much has to go past the WAFC(AFLWA)so that is a clear indication we can effectively rule out taking initiatives on your own
And this does not discount how good those ideas are by the way guys

I think a big part of the resistance from WAFL people like you Southerner is your lack of understanding of the current landscape. (Not having a crack at you, unless you are involved at different levels many don't know the current setup.)

AFLWA/WAFC already have control of all the pathways you mentioned except high performance.- schools, junior comps, amateurs the lot.
But if you are any good and over the age of 14, depending on where your parents live you will be assigned to a WAFL club for your future high performance development. - this will now be bought under the WAFC arm with proposed changes.

And us WAFL people that you refer to... do not want that to be the case.....We believe that if you retain the current system with some proposed changes it will operate better than it already is.

Unholytugboat wrote:

Southerner wrote: Under the terms of this report - AFLWA takes complete control of pathways , that means schools , junior comps whatever the youth level is - everything.
There is no chance in hell WAFL will be let near the AFL brand in any form & anything that involves footy here in WA pretty much has to go past the WAFC(AFLWA)so that is a clear indication we can effectively rule out taking initiatives on your own
And this does not discount how good those ideas are by the way guys

I think a big part of the resistance from WAFL people like you Southerner is your lack of understanding of the current landscape. (Not having a crack at you, unless you are involved at different levels many don't know the current setup.)

AFLWA/WAFC already have control of all the pathways you mentioned except high performance.- schools, junior comps, amateurs the lot.

But if you are any good and over the age of 14, depending on where your parents live you will be assigned to a WAFL club for your future high performance development. - this will now be bought under the WAFC arm with proposed changes.

On what basis would anyone have any belief that the WAFC would be good at developing juniors. Their track record is one of singular failure. How much money did the WAFC waste trying to get the rights to manage the new stadium? They spent millions after being told THEY WOULD NOT be getting the management rights.

This report is all about the WAFC having something to do after the WAFL folds.

How could you prepare a report that purports to be an in-depth analysis, a once in a lifetime opportunity, when the BCG group couldn't even be bothered consulting the WAFL clubs? I also would suggest that they didn't check with Swans' vSwans programme. What a complete joke.

The report is nothing more than a whitewash. WA footy paid $350,000 for a superfluous study because they could have just written their own report and saved virtually all of the $350,000.

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Leadership at it's best....Could we expect this from our WAFC?

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La Hincha wrote: What we must see happen now in response is to have the WAFC insist that the AFL host clubs can play no more than 11 AFL listed players in the league side. This will balance out the fact that WAFL clubs will have to lop off a couple of recruits. I would imagine that the points cap may be reduced to 110 and the salary cap reduced also.

LaH what is your view of losing 4 league games that you won't be able to watch Subiaco next year and would you expect that the players will get the same pay next year?

Unholytugboat wrote:

Southerner wrote: Under the terms of this report - AFLWA takes complete control of pathways , that means schools , junior comps whatever the youth level is - everything.
There is no chance in hell WAFL will be let near the AFL brand in any form & anything that involves footy here in WA pretty much has to go past the WAFC(AFLWA)so that is a clear indication we can effectively rule out taking initiatives on your own
And this does not discount how good those ideas are by the way guys

I think a big part of the resistance from WAFL people like you Southerner is your lack of understanding of the current landscape. (Not having a crack at you, unless you are involved at different levels many don't know the current setup.)

AFLWA/WAFC already have control of all the pathways you mentioned except high performance.- schools, junior comps, amateurs the lot.

But if you are any good and over the age of 14, depending on where your parents live you will be assigned to a WAFL club for your future high performance development. - this will now be bought under the WAFC arm with proposed changes.

Oh I understand the current landscape alright - but see the problem with people like me is we see it for what it really is.
Creating a problem when there isn't one for an AFL handout
And given their performance managing Peel Thunder debts over the years they'd be as good as Christopher Skase in developing jack shit

La Hincha wrote:

swan42 wrote:

La Hincha wrote: What we must see happen now in response is to have the WAFC insist that the AFL host clubs can play no more than 11 AFL listed players in the league side. This will balance out the fact that WAFL clubs will have to lop off a couple of recruits. I would imagine that the points cap may be reduced to 110 and the salary cap reduced also.

LaH what is your view of losing 4 league games that you won't be able to watch Subiaco next year and would you expect that the players will get the same pay next year?

4? I thought we were losing 2 games per year? They should have extended the comp in my opinion.

Subi will have to tighten it's belt as will all others.

Tightening belts yet still competing against the host clubs is another matter.

In truth, there won't be as many "big name" coaches joining the development programs as the WAFC might think. There aren't that many around. A lot of the colts staff will be the existing ones. As it stands, a lot of people involved in the development program in WA are already WAFC staff or in some cases approved by them.

Magically finding more AFL standard talent from the thin participation numbers in WA! Yep, I'll believe it when I see it.

The WAFL clubs have to insist that the new 9 team colts competition is played on the same day as the league matches and at the same ground. Sure, play the games away from the dew at say 4.30 or 5 0'clock or even 11.30 or 11.00 with the ressies swapping over with them alternately.

It is 18 rounds: 9 teams so you have 8 matches + a bye * 2 ===> 16 games.

With respect to swapping the ressies and the colts I can't agree with that. What does it say to the ressies' players, whom aren't paid but work as hard as the league players? Surely, that is a recipe for the decimation of the reserves?

La Hincha wrote:

swan42 wrote:

La Hincha wrote:

swan42 wrote:

La Hincha wrote: What we must see happen now in response is to have the WAFC insist that the AFL host clubs can play no more than 11 AFL listed players in the league side. This will balance out the fact that WAFL clubs will have to lop off a couple of recruits. I would imagine that the points cap may be reduced to 110 and the salary cap reduced also.

LaH what is your view of losing 4 league games that you won't be able to watch Subiaco next year and would you expect that the players will get the same pay next year?

4? I thought we were losing 2 games per year? They should have extended the comp in my opinion.

Subi will have to tighten it's belt as will all others.

Tightening belts yet still competing against the host clubs is another matter.

In truth, there won't be as many "big name" coaches joining the development programs as the WAFC might think. There aren't that many around. A lot of the colts staff will be the existing ones. As it stands, a lot of people involved in the development program in WA are already WAFC staff or in some cases approved by them.

Magically finding more AFL standard talent from the thin participation numbers in WA! Yep, I'll believe it when I see it.

The WAFL clubs have to insist that the new 9 team colts competition is played on the same day as the league matches and at the same ground. Sure, play the games away from the dew at say 4.30 or 5 0'clock or even 11.30 or 11.00 with the ressies swapping over with them alternately.

It is 18 rounds: 9 teams so you have 8 matches + a bye * 2 ===> 16 games.

With respect to swapping the ressies and the colts I can't agree with that. What does it say to the ressies' players, whom aren't paid but work as hard as the league players? Surely, that is a recipe for the decimation of the reserves?

Well, I was hoping that the ressies would swap with colts each week at the 5.00pm or 11am timeslot. Maybe bring the league forward to 1.45pm.

....we need draft picks from our senior sides from now on. The scouts are only interested in colts and league but with the light we have at many grounds, all three can play alongside each other.

While, it's not what I wished for, the proposed system is better than I thought it might be. Same number of colts teams, same names, same guernseys....the initial proposal I got told about was far worse...but common sense has prevailed and maybe a realisation that the WAFL clubs are hampered by situations beyond their control...namely the poor participation rates....particularly in the poorer suburbs.

Kevin Sheehan should come visit Girrawheen, Koondoola, Mirrabooka or Balga one day.....he might understand its not exactly Brighton Grammar School out there

I could suggest a place that Mike Sheehan should go but I will resist the temptation. You are far more optimistic than me because I think the proposed changes to the colts' competition is exactly the same as the TAC Cup. The only link between the WAFL and the colts will be the jumpers they wear.

If the WACA is changed such that you can play footy there again I expect that all the colts' games will be played on the same day at the WACA.

You also missed the point that there will be a women's match as a curtain raiser to the WAFL league.

La Hincha wrote:

swan42 wrote:

La Hincha wrote:

swan42 wrote:

La Hincha wrote:

swan42 wrote:

La Hincha wrote: What we must see happen now in response is to have the WAFC insist that the AFL host clubs can play no more than 11 AFL listed players in the league side. This will balance out the fact that WAFL clubs will have to lop off a couple of recruits. I would imagine that the points cap may be reduced to 110 and the salary cap reduced also.

LaH what is your view of losing 4 league games that you won't be able to watch Subiaco next year and would you expect that the players will get the same pay next year?

4? I thought we were losing 2 games per year? They should have extended the comp in my opinion.

Subi will have to tighten it's belt as will all others.

Tightening belts yet still competing against the host clubs is another matter.

In truth, there won't be as many "big name" coaches joining the development programs as the WAFC might think. There aren't that many around. A lot of the colts staff will be the existing ones. As it stands, a lot of people involved in the development program in WA are already WAFC staff or in some cases approved by them.

Magically finding more AFL standard talent from the thin participation numbers in WA! Yep, I'll believe it when I see it.

The WAFL clubs have to insist that the new 9 team colts competition is played on the same day as the league matches and at the same ground. Sure, play the games away from the dew at say 4.30 or 5 0'clock or even 11.30 or 11.00 with the ressies swapping over with them alternately.

It is 18 rounds: 9 teams so you have 8 matches + a bye * 2 ===> 16 games.

With respect to swapping the ressies and the colts I can't agree with that. What does it say to the ressies' players, whom aren't paid but work as hard as the league players? Surely, that is a recipe for the decimation of the reserves?

Well, I was hoping that the ressies would swap with colts each week at the 5.00pm or 11am timeslot. Maybe bring the league forward to 1.45pm.

....we need draft picks from our senior sides from now on. The scouts are only interested in colts and league but with the light we have at many grounds, all three can play alongside each other.

While, it's not what I wished for, the proposed system is better than I thought it might be. Same number of colts teams, same names, same guernseys....the initial proposal I got told about was far worse...but common sense has prevailed and maybe a realisation that the WAFL clubs are hampered by situations beyond their control...namely the poor participation rates....particularly in the poorer suburbs.

Kevin Sheehan should come visit Girrawheen, Koondoola, Mirrabooka or Balga one day.....he might understand its not exactly Brighton Grammar School out there

I could suggest a place that Mike Sheehan should go but I will resist the temptation. You are far more optimistic than me because I think the proposed changes to the colts' competition is exactly the same as the TAC Cup. The only link between the WAFL and the colts will be the jumpers they wear.

If the WACA is changed such that you can play footy there again I expect that all the colts' games will be played on the same day at the WACA.

You also missed the point that there will be a women's match as a curtain raiser to the WAFL league.

Women's footy...yeah I saw that proposed.

Well, I've seen our local ladies play after some Subi matches under lights out of respect and wanting to give support. But the standard isn't good and very few people come to watch. But if we can find a way to fit all 4 matches in on game day then good but otherwise, no, I don't think that is a good idea at this point in time. Even the ladies would admit (I think) that the quality of play isn't too flash just yet...not to say it won't be at some stage

This post is not to blow Swans' trumpet but to provide an insight with respect to our teams. We have women's league, reserves and youth teams that generally play on a Sunday. There have been some times where the women's team has played after the league.