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RedLegs wrote:

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Larry Bird wrote: Two things are virtually carved in granite. The AFL players will play in one team and secondly it will be in the WAFL. Take that as your starting point and work from there to make the best of it for all the clubs.

NO I won't accept that at all. At the moment it is the tail wagging the dog. When we actually get some WAFC with a backbone and start DICTATING to the WA domiciled AFL clubs that THEY HAVE THE LICENCE then there is a future for the WAFL and THAT is the BRIEF and raison d'etre for the WAFC.

Swan unless the WAFL can find some financially via model that can extricate itself from the two local AFL Franchises and in turn the WAFC then ABSOLUTLEY nothing will change. Unless you can come up with a funding model that gives the same if not more income stream that can knock the current arrangement out of the picture your dreaming. Btw the WAFC sole concern has never just been the WAFL solely - read the constitution, it was actually formed to save the WCE and WAFL.

Save your breathe Bazza, the likes of Grassy, Swan et al, aren't interested in reasonable solutions but only offer up option, to get rid is of the AFL clubs second sides. Their inference that the sole reason that the WAFL is struggling is because of WCE and Freo is so far removed from the truth, it's laughable!!

The WAFL is a Teir 2 competition that only has itself to blame for its own demise. Take the funding that the AFL teams supply to the WAFL away and the competition would have collapsed years ago. The WAFL is the only part of the football industry within WA which is not financially self-sustaining but lives on WAFC handouts funded by the AFL. Grassy etc complain about Subiacos financial benefit, and they are clearly the most profitable club in the WAFL, but even their strong financial position rides on the back of the AFL games in Perth.

Pretty sad for the WAFL, that Community footy (A Grade WAAFL) is quickly surpassing the WAFL for weekly crowd attendances and isn't that far behind on the standard of footy produced.

Complain as much as you like that the WAFL is at the mercy of the AFL and WAFC but you've allowed yourself to be put in that position every time your club/s have stuck their hands out and happily accepted each and every cent that they've provided either directly or indirectly.

Also your continued comments that the WAFL should be the focus for the WAFC is pretty concerning and selfish. The WAFC is responsible for all football in WA and that certainly extends well past just the WAFL, which is one of the smallest parts of the WA footy industry.

Pigs arse who the hell are you anyway? Is this a representation from the SA Norwood Redlegs telling us how it is in the WAFL?

Worry about your own backyard buddy and keep your nose out of ours. I'm sure you've got your own problems to deal with. Someone said the other day Glenelg are 3 mill in debt and Port Magpies needed Port Power to take over to survive.

2000-01 and the part alignment of 02.That was a very strong side from EP that won the 3 in a row.That was the end of that alignment.
Still think it's going to be difficult for Peel to win from the Elimination final.Every Afl club has an alignment setup so there's no way the comission will end it in the Wafl.I still think if the Wafc could come up with some more cash so the G7 can recruit at least one more quality player and modify the points system.
To my knowlege in the Sanfl the Crows and Port Adelaide are topped up with under 23 players.Thats a pretty good starting point for our model imo.With retirements at EP they could allmost meet that rule modifcation next year.

So how many $ a year does the WAFC give your WAFL club?
What was your clubs profit or loss last year?
How does the WAFC derive their income?
How much do WCE & FFC contribute to the WAFC's income either directly or indirectly? Royalty payments and facility usage. WAFC sponsorship incomes ie Domain Stadium naming rights. Domain sub-hire agreements etc

Lets look at the numbers or do you want to just continue to complain and blame the AFL teams?

I've been to far more WAFL games (400 plus) over the last 30 years than AFL games (under 50) so pretty confident that I can comment from an informed position. Not an AFL club member but I am a fully paid WAFL club member and have been since the late 70's. I remember Subi walking around at halftime asking for donations to keep their club afloat and understand the Subi Oval deal.

Are you referring to the WCE sponsorship of the WAAFL Colts and State football programs?

How accountable do the WAFL clubs and their boards need to be for the position the WAFL competition now finds itself in? Run financially sustainable clubs and therefore a sustainable competition and have a greater level of control, possibly even full control or continue to happily accept handouts, be dictated to and allow the integrity of the competition to be compromised.

gtrxuone: Very true about the first EP alignment side: overall their local and eagles players were better, which, fortunatelly for them made, for a powerful team.

In general I would not want to see an U23 provision introduced for the alignment clubs, or for the AFL teams if they joinned the WAFL in the future, as it will encourage those whom want to move towards a glorified colts competition.

From memory Ark that first alignment Ep built a super side spreading there salary cap on there players and not the wce boys.They recruited Wilson,Prior,Lallich,Simmons.Not to mention super coach Tony Mc.
Don't know the answer to the alignment changes .If Freo and WC are alive in the Finals and have. qualified. Playing 5 Wafl games.Only thing I can think is to make the G7 clubs stronger.

What you say is true RedLegs.Without the Afl dividens payed to the Wafc there would be no Wafl competition.Adding the rent Wce and Freo currently pay to play at Domain Stadium.And further to that the eagles are less than happy with the new arrangment at Burswood.Even considering staying at Subi another year.

RedLegs wrote: So how many $ a year does the WAFC give your WAFL club?
What was your clubs profit or loss last year?
How does the WAFC derive their income?
How much do WCE & FFC contribute to the WAFC's income either directly or indirectly? Royalty payments and facility usage. WAFC sponsorship incomes ie Domain Stadium naming rights. Domain sub-hire agreements etc

Lets look at the numbers or do you want to just continue to complain and blame the AFL teams?

I've been to far more WAFL games (400 plus) over the last 30 years than AFL games (under 50) so pretty confident that I can comment from an informed position. Not an AFL club member but I am a fully paid WAFL club member and have been since the late 70's. I remember Subi walking around at halftime asking for donations to keep their club afloat and understand the Subi Oval deal.

Are you referring to the WCE sponsorship of the WAAFL Colts and State football programs?

How accountable do the WAFL clubs and their boards need to be for the position the WAFL competition now finds itself in? Run financially sustainable clubs and therefore a sustainable competition and have a greater level of control, possibly even full control or continue to happily accept handouts, be dictated to and allow the integrity of the competition to be compromised.

Of course the WAFL relies on the two AFL clubs to survive. The WAFL clubs agreed to form a West Australian team to join the then VFL which later became the AFL and Fremantle was formed. The WAFL as a result of those two teams and the AFL draft has raped the WAFL of its best talent year in year out. And without a strong WAFL we would not be producing the second highest number of players currently playing in the AFL. And here you go off half cocked about how badly managed WAFL clubs are. It's a tough gig running a WAFL club these days and balancing the books and all clubs work damn hard to raise money through various fund raising events throughout the year.

Kill the WAFL or allow it to die a slow death it will come back to haunt the AFL and the two Perth AFL clubs.

DD wrote:

RedLegs wrote: So how many $ a year does the WAFC give your WAFL club?
What was your clubs profit or loss last year?
How does the WAFC derive their income?
How much do WCE & FFC contribute to the WAFC's income either directly or indirectly? Royalty payments and facility usage. WAFC sponsorship incomes ie Domain Stadium naming rights. Domain sub-hire agreements etc

Lets look at the numbers or do you want to just continue to complain and blame the AFL teams?

I've been to far more WAFL games (400 plus) over the last 30 years than AFL games (under 50) so pretty confident that I can comment from an informed position. Not an AFL club member but I am a fully paid WAFL club member and have been since the late 70's. I remember Subi walking around at halftime asking for donations to keep their club afloat and understand the Subi Oval deal.

Are you referring to the WCE sponsorship of the WAAFL Colts and State football programs?

How accountable do the WAFL clubs and their boards need to be for the position the WAFL competition now finds itself in? Run financially sustainable clubs and therefore a sustainable competition and have a greater level of control, possibly even full control or continue to happily accept handouts, be dictated to and allow the integrity of the competition to be compromised.

Of course the WAFL relies on the two AFL clubs to survive. The WAFL clubs agreed to form a West Australian team to join the then VFL which later became the AFL and Fremantle was formed. The WAFL as a result of those two teams and the AFL draft has raped the WAFL of its best talent year in year out. And without a strong WAFL we would not be producing the second highest number of players currently playing in the AFL. And here you go off half cocked about how badly managed WAFL clubs are. It's a tough gig running a WAFL club these days and balancing the books and all clubs work damn hard to raise money through various fund raising events throughout the year.

Kill the WAFL or allow it to die a slow death it will come back to haunt the AFL and the two Perth AFL clubs.

mobile.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-31/eagles...fl-alignment/4343722

No doubt it is a difficult job to run a club but you do have to question the direction the WAFL clubs have taken. When given an opportunity to say no to the alignment, the 7 WAFL clubs said yes, if you give us an extra $100,000 each per annum.

This only further served to weaken any future bargaining power from their previously weak position in 2012. I wonder what the clubs will do in 2018 when the deal gets renegotiated...probably put their hand out for more cash compromising the integrity of the competition further?

RedLegs wrote:

DD wrote:

RedLegs wrote: So how many $ a year does the WAFC give your WAFL club?
What was your clubs profit or loss last year?
How does the WAFC derive their income?
How much do WCE & FFC contribute to the WAFC's income either directly or indirectly? Royalty payments and facility usage. WAFC sponsorship incomes ie Domain Stadium naming rights. Domain sub-hire agreements etc

Lets look at the numbers or do you want to just continue to complain and blame the AFL teams?

I've been to far more WAFL games (400 plus) over the last 30 years than AFL games (under 50) so pretty confident that I can comment from an informed position. Not an AFL club member but I am a fully paid WAFL club member and have been since the late 70's. I remember Subi walking around at halftime asking for donations to keep their club afloat and understand the Subi Oval deal.

Are you referring to the WCE sponsorship of the WAAFL Colts and State football programs?

How accountable do the WAFL clubs and their boards need to be for the position the WAFL competition now finds itself in? Run financially sustainable clubs and therefore a sustainable competition and have a greater level of control, possibly even full control or continue to happily accept handouts, be dictated to and allow the integrity of the competition to be compromised.

Of course the WAFL relies on the two AFL clubs to survive. The WAFL clubs agreed to form a West Australian team to join the then VFL which later became the AFL and Fremantle was formed. The WAFL as a result of those two teams and the AFL draft has raped the WAFL of its best talent year in year out. And without a strong WAFL we would not be producing the second highest number of players currently playing in the AFL. And here you go off half cocked about how badly managed WAFL clubs are. It's a tough gig running a WAFL club these days and balancing the books and all clubs work damn hard to raise money through various fund raising events throughout the year.

Kill the WAFL or allow it to die a slow death it will come back to haunt the AFL and the two Perth AFL clubs.

mobile.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-31/eagles...fl-alignment/4343722

No doubt it is a difficult job to run a club but you do have to question the direction the WAFL clubs have taken. When given an opportunity to say no to the alignment, the 7 WAFL clubs said yes, if you give us an extra $100,000 each per annum.

This only further served to weaken any future bargaining power from their previously weak position in 2012. I wonder what the clubs will do in 2018 when the deal gets renegotiated...probably put their hand out for more cash compromising the integrity of the competition further?

Yes I have said this all along the Wafl clubs laid down and took the money no come back from there, the Grassy's of the world keep blaming the two AFL clubs get off your arse and do something instead of playing the blame game and whinging.

RedLegs wrote:

DD wrote:

RedLegs wrote: So how many $ a year does the WAFC give your WAFL club?
What was your clubs profit or loss last year?
How does the WAFC derive their income?
How much do WCE & FFC contribute to the WAFC's income either directly or indirectly? Royalty payments and facility usage. WAFC sponsorship incomes ie Domain Stadium naming rights. Domain sub-hire agreements etc

Lets look at the numbers or do you want to just continue to complain and blame the AFL teams?

I've been to far more WAFL games (400 plus) over the last 30 years than AFL games (under 50) so pretty confident that I can comment from an informed position. Not an AFL club member but I am a fully paid WAFL club member and have been since the late 70's. I remember Subi walking around at halftime asking for donations to keep their club afloat and understand the Subi Oval deal.

Are you referring to the WCE sponsorship of the WAAFL Colts and State football programs?

How accountable do the WAFL clubs and their boards need to be for the position the WAFL competition now finds itself in? Run financially sustainable clubs and therefore a sustainable competition and have a greater level of control, possibly even full control or continue to happily accept handouts, be dictated to and allow the integrity of the competition to be compromised.

Of course the WAFL relies on the two AFL clubs to survive. The WAFL clubs agreed to form a West Australian team to join the then VFL which later became the AFL and Fremantle was formed. The WAFL as a result of those two teams and the AFL draft has raped the WAFL of its best talent year in year out. And without a strong WAFL we would not be producing the second highest number of players currently playing in the AFL. And here you go off half cocked about how badly managed WAFL clubs are. It's a tough gig running a WAFL club these days and balancing the books and all clubs work damn hard to raise money through various fund raising events throughout the year.

Kill the WAFL or allow it to die a slow death it will come back to haunt the AFL and the two Perth AFL clubs.

mobile.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-31/eagles...fl-alignment/4343722

No doubt it is a difficult job to run a club but you do have to question the direction the WAFL clubs have taken. When given an opportunity to say no to the alignment, the 7 WAFL clubs said yes, if you give us an extra $100,000 each per annum.

This only further served to weaken any future bargaining power from their previously weak position in 2012. I wonder what the clubs will do in 2018 when the deal gets renegotiated...probably put their hand out for more cash compromising the integrity of the competition further?

The WAFL clubs were forced into a corner, the Eagles and Dockers pitch forked a couple of people with links to their organisations into the WAFC and there were always issues between the AFL clubs and WAFL clubs over selection and where a player would play. Also some WAFL clubs got lucky getting players that struggled to hold down a regular AFL game but would dominate at WAFL level and be the difference eg Hansen at SD so I've got no problem with the alignments except there should be a limit of 12 players in any league WAFL match, not just finals.

But I really do think EP sacrificing themselves as a bona fide WAFL club is hurting the WAFL and a stand alone Eagles team is the way to go. I'm sure Royal supporters would agree.