TOPIC:

jardine wrote: $35 just shows how out of touch these plodders at the WAFC really are.

The price should be $20, kids free, pensioners $5. The GF should be played this long weekend on the Sunday. The AFL is done & dusted the day before, and it is a public holiday on the Monday. So the players and supporters can celebrate it.

But that all seems too logical for these idiots. Its another year of zero planning & foresight, and you can bet we will be talking about the same things again next year & the year after. With another shitty crowd with little incentive to attend.

Dont agree with you there.
People go away,its school holidays and you'd be competing with the royal show.
Give a kid the option..the show,down south holiday or GF,the show and going away wins hands down.
Theres to many other otions,GF should be the sole thing on that day.

jardine wrote: $35 just shows how out of touch these plodders at the WAFC really are.

The price should be $20, kids free, pensioners $5. The GF should be played this long weekend on the Sunday. The AFL is done & dusted the day before, and it is a public holiday on the Monday. So the players and supporters can celebrate it.

But that all seems too logical for these idiots. Its another year of zero planning & foresight, and you can bet we will be talking about the same things again next year & the year after. With another shitty crowd with little incentive to attend.

The WAFL Grand Final should be played next weekend Jars the week after the AFL GF as it would then be the sole focus of the sporting public of WA instead of the status quo were we are going up against the AFL finals series as these buffoons at the WAFC have done for the last 25 years!

jardine wrote: $35 just shows how out of touch these plodders at the WAFC really are.

The price should be $20, kids free, pensioners $5. The GF should be played this long weekend on the Sunday. The AFL is done & dusted the day before, and it is a public holiday on the Monday. So the players and supporters can celebrate it.

But that all seems too logical for these idiots. Its another year of zero planning & foresight, and you can bet we will be talking about the same things again next year & the year after. With another shitty crowd with little incentive to attend.

$35 dollars is an absolutley ridiculous price for a WAFL GF these days, the WAFL clearly have no bloody idea, most WAFL fans come from a lower socio econmic group and for a family with kids paying for mum and dad at $35 each is big ask, plus all the usual rip offs for catering once inside.

Even for someone a bit better off forking out $35 bucks for a WAFL game raises an eybrow, its not these teams a staudded with household names of super stars.


Also playong on Sunday is a dead loss, FFS why do they presist with this stupid idea, move it back to a Saturday arvo, let the fans and players celebrate and the clubs make a decent quid.

waflfootyfacts wrote:

Larry Bird wrote: Did I hear right the official preliminary final crowd was 2549. What is the lowest preliminary final crowd on record this information is hard to come buy.

I have all PF attendance figures since 1931 and this would be the second lowest behind the 2,026 in 2011.

The top 10 lowest
Season. crowd
2011 - 2,026
2013 - 4,153
2000 - 4,609
1996 - 4,698
2006 - 4,811
2001 - 4,894
2005 - 5,023
2012 - 5,342
2007 - 5,511
2008 - 5,556

Only once since 1993 has there been over 10,000 that was 11,251 for SD v EP in 2010. Between 1931 - 1990 there was only three crowds smaller than 10,000 in 1943 6,756 attended the under-age PF between Subi v SD, 8,519 in 1934 and 8,115 in 1931

No surprises what the standout PF Attendance figure has been in the last 20+ years ..all this comp needs is for Swans to play in a few more Home Prelims & to make the GF more often to turn the attendance figures around to the upward scale!

30plusyeardrought wrote:

jardine wrote: $35 just shows how out of touch these plodders at the WAFC really are.

The price should be $20, kids free, pensioners $5. The GF should be played this long weekend on the Sunday. The AFL is done & dusted the day before, and it is a public holiday on the Monday. So the players and supporters can celebrate it.

But that all seems too logical for these idiots. Its another year of zero planning & foresight, and you can bet we will be talking about the same things again next year & the year after. With another shitty crowd with little incentive to attend.

Dont agree with you there.
People go away,its school holidays and you'd be competing with the royal show.
Give a kid the option..the show,down south holiday or GF,the show and going away wins hands down.
Theres to many other otions,GF should be the sole thing on that day.

The fact is there will always be excuses as to why we shouldn't try something different. Whether its this weekend, or play it the following weekend on the Saturday, we need to be different. Doing the same old every year is one failure after another.

On that point you made of the long weekend, as far as long weekends go this one is usually not one of those public holidays that get the same volume of interest. And many people stay in town for the AFL Grand Final anyway. And the Foundation Day long weekend is one of the popular long weekends, yet it is the best attended day of the WAFL by far every year. What does that say?

Considering a football game is a few hours, I don't think the Royal Show would be a great deterrent. And we are only talking about 20,000 or hopefully more patrons we need to get to a WAFL Grand Final. But in the end I suppose, what is the point in changing anything when those at the WAFL have no idea or interest in promoting the league in this state. With that in mind we may as well not bother. Just let it die slowly on the vine like it is now. Not trying to be negative, but these guys have proven to us all for years that the decline is part of their blueprint. Not much we can do about it either, when none of us are in a position of authority.

jardine wrote:

30plusyeardrought wrote:

jardine wrote: On that point you made of the long weekend, as far as long weekends go this one is usually not one of those public holidays that get the same volume of interest. And many people stay in town for the AFL Grand Final anyway. And the Foundation Day long weekend is one of the popular long weekends, yet it is the best attended day of the WAFL by far every year. What does that say?

Considering a football game is a few hours, I don't think the Royal Show would be a great deterrent. And we are only talking about 20,000 or hopefully more patrons we need to get to a WAFL Grand Final. But in the end I suppose, what is the point in changing anything when those at the WAFL have no idea or interest in promoting the league in this state. With that in mind we may as well not bother. Just let it die slowly on the vine like it is now. Not trying to be negative, but these guys have proven to us all for years that the decline is part of their blueprint. Not much we can do about it either, when none of us are in a position of authority.

The point is a WAFL GF should be a "stand alone" event!
Your suggestion of that particular Sunday was what i was commenting on.
There was nothing on other than the GF last Sunday in Perth yet the crowd was piss poor,cant see that putting it off for a week or two is going to make any difference.


...and what does that say (Foundation Day weekend)...well it says derby's are well attended on that weekend!!

2010 was a great season and a perfect storm for good crowds. Swans up an about, East Perth had to win its last six including Claremont in the last round to make finals. 7000 at the 1st semi EP vs EF good weather and then good weather for the Swans Prelim both sides supporters turned out it felt like 18000, the football was sensational quality. I really think an EP vs SD GF would have been awesome. A stand alone EP is quite important moving forward as far as a crowds go. I think roughly half the Royals have jumped off at the moment and you can't blame them.

Thinking outside the derby mindset, the Foundation day weekend also usually has Claremont v Subiaco. Two clubs with a low base. Yet generally they more than double their crowd for that day. So a long weekend is actually a positive for those clubs.

On another subject 30plus, Sometimes I think one of the things holding back the WAFL are the supporters themselves, who seem totally opposed to the slightest change or trying something different. Even with general fixturing, nobody wants to budge there when a huge percentage of people work on Saturdays these days, unlike the golden days when working a Saturday was deemed idiotic. Also now the WAFL are likely to introduce a bloody top five, which is stupid in a 9 team comp. If they had any brains, theyd allow WCE a stand alone team, get it to 10 teams and then have a top 5. But as history shows, we do EVERYTHING arse backwards here in dopey WA.

I understand what your saying about last Sunday, but the point there is people are saturated with AFL, especially after the Preliminery Finals. The papers have very little coverage of the upcoming WAFL Grand Final, as shown on the weekend. You talk to the general person on the street, and they are focussed on AFL and the Grand Final. It is almost impossible not to get drawn into the hysteria, and in the meantime the WAFL Grand Final passes without a thought. Ideally it needs to be after the AFL grand final, when finally people can get a clear head. I believe we need to plan everything around the 5% supporter, not the 100% supporter. Those 5% ones need to be encouraged if we are to have a future for the 100% supporters, then we must break the mould. In fact smash the hell out of it.

just my belief, that's all.

Larry Bird wrote: 2010 was a great season and a perfect storm for good crowds. Swans up an about, East Perth had to win its last six including Claremont in the last round to make finals. 7000 at the 1st semi EP vs EF good weather and then good weather for the Swans Prelim both sides supporters turned out it felt like 18000, the football was sensational quality. I really think an EP vs SD GF would have been awesome. A stand alone EP is quite important moving forward as far as a crowds go. I think roughly half the Royals have jumped off at the moment and you can't blame them.

correct

Larry Bird wrote: 2010 was a great season and a perfect storm for good crowds. Swans up an about, East Perth had to win its last six including Claremont in the last round to make finals. 7000 at the 1st semi EP vs EF good weather and then good weather for the Swans Prelim both sides supporters turned out it felt like 18000, the football was sensational quality. I really think an EP vs SD GF would have been awesome. A stand alone EP is quite important moving forward as far as a crowds go. I think roughly half the Royals have jumped off at the moment and you can't blame them.

The crowds actually peaked in 2009, 11,000 at foundation day.