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Bazza wrote: I've read the Fremantle Press Release in relation to the plans for the old fremantle oval site and I quote

The Fremantle Facility is already out of date compared to other AFL club facilities, the new Cockburn facility will provide a state of art training and admistration center into the future.

FFC will work in conjunction with the Fremantle City Council to find a future use for the facitily at Fremantle oval, this could include mixed Business, Retail and Community use.

How do you get Fremantle will be using it as a training and admin base out of that?

In other words they are farking off and handing it over to whoever wants it.

probably getting off the subject a little but I have to agree with bazza, I cant see why freo will maintain a presence there. maybe a few clinics but that is it. Fremantle Oval could now easily and professionally house both South & East rivals. it must be considered now. would be great for both clubs.

on another note I know we are all old school wafl traditionalists. I just think we need to look forward now. the other way will see us all go backwards in a general sense. nothing wrong with talking about thepast as it was a remarkable era for metropolitan WA. I love talking about it and and always will unashamedly.

But Let our past make us better, not bitter.

we can only see what pans out now, and perhaps in time a new phase will emerge. something different is what we need. the same old wont cut it, no matter how much we think it will, it wont. And throwing darts at freo & Wce wont solve much. It hasn't so far. Target the commission and the wafl themselves when due, but we need some positives more than ever. we are seemingly the only ones who can deliver it.
many will agree to disagree, that's fine.

Not another dollar to struggling vfl clubs in the afl will help the state leagues. And strengthen the afl

jardine wrote: on another note I know we are all old school wafl traditionalists. I just think we need to look forward now. the other way will see us all go backwards in a general sense. nothing wrong with talking about thepast as it was a remarkable era for metropolitan WA. I love talking about it and and always will unashamedly.

But Let our past make us better, not bitter.

we can only see what pans out now, and perhaps in time a new phase will emerge. something different is what we need. the same old wont cut it, no matter how much we think it will, it wont. And throwing darts at freo & Wce wont solve much. It hasn't so far. Target the commission and the wafl themselves when due, but we need some positives more than ever. we are seemingly the only ones who can deliver it.
many will agree to disagree, that's fine.

Agree jardine, Im all for radical change and rationilisation of the WAFL, if it is going to be viable we must look forward.

anchorman wrote: Not sure why I would even bother to reply to any of you any more.
I have asked a question and all every one does is go back to whinging whining and moaning about how bad the alignment is going to be.You sound like a bunch of moaning old women.forgive me if there are any ladies here.
Al least I can say I live in the present and not way back in the 60s or the 80s.
Fair dinkum you blokes never cease to amaze me.S&S I read the Fremantle club year book and the report.Do your self a favour and find one and read it before you come up with your B/S.
Once again another topic hijacked by the wannbebebackinthe60s.
I knew it was only a matter of time before the Swans barrage began.
But hey each to his own.Whine away fellas,whine away.Or is that wine away!!!!!!

A/man it is all very well for you to take the alleged high ground. You posed the question which presumes that you had done some thinking on the subject prior to posing the question. I would be very interested in reading your suggestions about how we can attract more spectators to WAFL games. I am a reasonable person; but I am yet to read anything opn here that you have contributed to how the WAFL can be improved. Instead we have as vacuous comments as the ones from the WAFC that suggest the alignment provides an opportunity fro the G7 to somehow and rather miraculously can improve their lot. Where are your suggestions?

anchorman wrote:

Greatwhiteshark wrote:

anchorman wrote: Not sure why I would even bother to reply to any of you any more.
I have asked a question and all every one does is go back to whinging whining and moaning about how bad the alignment is going to be.You sound like a bunch of moaning old women.forgive me if there are any ladies here.
Al least I can say I live in the present and not way back in the 60s or the 80s.
Fair dinkum you blokes never cease to amaze me.S&S I read the Fremantle club year book and the report.Do your self a favour and find one and read it before you come up with your B/S.
Once again another topic hijacked by the wannbebebackinthe60s.
I knew it was only a matter of time before the Swans barrage began.
But hey each to his own.Whine away fellas,whine away.Or is that wine away!!!!!!

Anchorman you did ask a question and many of us have put something forward, someone has now asked you a few posts back for you to put your idea's forward and you have gotten angry? Like you I have adjusted to the modern world, doesn't mean i like it but footy is what it is now. Not everyone has to agree mate.

GWS I appreciate what you are saying but I put my solution forward.As far as Swan is concerned then I could say that Swan Districts wear black and white and he would find some fault with it.
Therer are some who have put forward an idea or two but most have repeated the same old stuff.Read jardines post he says so as well.
It just disappoints me that people still are moaning and groaning about the alignment all the time.Will these same people come here in five years time if the WAFL has prospered from this alignment!!!
maybe from here in I will comment only on my mighty Dockers and leave the whingers to there self pity.
Ahhh they wish lol.
but thanks GWS.Appreciated.

Puerile comment a/man. Show me what you have suggested that the WAFL can do to improve their viability. We are not living in the past. Howevver, we don't see why we should just dump the WAFL's long history.

By the way the suggestions have to be reasonable and not change for change sake. We tried that with Westar Rules. How can the alignment be a positive for the WAFL? Perhaps we can adopt some semblance of logic. The alignment has improve the playing squads of two clubs; has weakened the playing strengths of 7 other clubs. It has provide the infrastructure for two clubs with respect to coaching aides, personnel etc and yet somehow that is of benefit to the WAFL.

A/man you talk about us living in the real world; perhaps we can suggest the same of you wgen it comes to the host club alignment.

swan42 wrote:

anchorman wrote: Not sure why I would even bother to reply to any of you any more.
I have asked a question and all every one does is go back to whinging whining and moaning about how bad the alignment is going to be.You sound like a bunch of moaning old women.forgive me if there are any ladies here.
Al least I can say I live in the present and not way back in the 60s or the 80s.
Fair dinkum you blokes never cease to amaze me.S&S I read the Fremantle club year book and the report.Do your self a favour and find one and read it before you come up with your B/S.
Once again another topic hijacked by the wannbebebackinthe60s.
I knew it was only a matter of time before the Swans barrage began.
But hey each to his own.Whine away fellas,whine away.Or is that wine away!!!!!!

A/man it is all very well for you to take the alleged high ground. You posed the question which presumes that you had done some thinking on the subject prior to posing the question. I would be very interested in reading your suggestions about how we can attract more spectators to WAFL games. I am a reasonable person; but I am yet to read anything opn here that you have contributed to how the WAFL can be improved. Instead we have as vacuous comments as the ones from the WAFC that suggest the alignment provides an opportunity fro the G7 to somehow and rather miraculously can improve their lot. Where are your suggestions?

I don;t think You will get any suggestions from him Swan, the fact is he is a 100% AFL man, he is pushing the barrow of the host club deal based on that , not the WAFLs future.

jardine wrote: on another note I know we are all old school wafl traditionalists. I just think we need to look forward now. the other way will see us all go backwards in a general sense. nothing wrong with talking about thepast as it was a remarkable era for metropolitan WA. I love talking about it and and always will unashamedly.

But Let our past make us better, not bitter.

we can only see what pans out now, and perhaps in time a new phase will emerge. something different is what we need. the same old wont cut it, no matter how much we think it will, it wont. And throwing darts at freo & Wce wont solve much. It hasn't so far. Target the commission and the wafl themselves when due, but we need some positives more than ever. we are seemingly the only ones who can deliver it.
many will agree to disagree, that's fine.

Jardine I believe you made the suggestion about the WAFL and SANFL should form a competition. Firstly, how many of the WAFL clubs would be in this competition? Secondly, given that there are 22 players plus one or two players as emergencies plus probably another dozen extra people how could the clubs afford the trasnport costs for such a competition. Also, wouldn't the SANFL be more likely to form a competition with a Victorian competition rather than with the WAFL.

As I see it the most obvious and reasonable solution to the long term viability of the WAFL is that the two WA domiciled AFL clubs and the AFL itself should be held to account and support the WAFL club without any strings attached. It is obvious from the talent developed in WA that is currently playing in the AFL that the WAFL has served the AFL clubs well and it is time for that to be rewarded. No I am not suggesting that the AFL absorbs the WAFL; rather that it provides the financial support to allow it to operate as an independent competition in its own right.

swan42 wrote: Jardine I believe you made the suggestion about the WAFL and SANFL should form a competition. Firstly, how many of the WAFL clubs would be in this competition? Secondly, given that there are 22 players plus one or two players as emergencies plus probably another dozen extra people how could the clubs afford the trasnport costs for such a competition. Also, wouldn't the SANFL be more likely to form a competition with a Victorian competition rather than with the WAFL.

As I see it the most obvious and reasonable solution to the long term viability of the WAFL is that the two WA domiciled AFL clubs and the AFL itself should be held to account and support the WAFL club without any strings attached. It is obvious from the talent developed in WA that is currently playing in the AFL that the WAFL has served the AFL clubs well and it is time for that to be rewarded. No I am not suggesting that the AFL absorbs the WAFL; rather that it provides the financial support to allow it to operate as an independent competition in its own right.

swan42, in our perfect world the AFL would be held accountable for everything, and pay for it accordingly by funding the WAFL,SANFL & VFL. But it wont happen and is a dead issue. So I prefer to move on from that. Its wasted time really. But I agree with you.

This 2nd tier interstate comp has been bought up before, I remember reading it elsewhere and I liked it. The reason I see the SANFL & WAFL (Not the VFL) is because the AFL clubs in Victoria have all but swallowed the VFL itself now. I don't think there are any host clubs left, and if there are it wont be for long. In essence they are soon to be a 100% AFL/VFL reserves comp. In other words going back to what they had years ago. The Victorian AFL clubs will be satisfied with what they will have based in Melbourne.

The SANFL/WAFL idea is based on an idea of real progression. Both comps are staggering in reality. Having AFL clubs participating either directly or indirectly will see the comps merely survive rather than actually thrive. Some will see that as fine, I don't.

for the idea to work it must get company support, a strong television deal and some added backing from somewhere. It also must get both leagues to really want it to work. Don't count on AFL $ backing. If it comes then that's a bonus, but don't rely on it. It needs a strong plan & it must also live within its means initially to help it grow. Eventually to the point where it could predominantly support itself. Like a business. Work within a salary cap too. It could even end up attracting VFL players itself. No doubt it would. And I think it needs to include all 18 clubs from both leagues. With the aligned clubs to have restrictions to even out the imbalance.

there is more to it than just this. But if its done right it could work based along these lines. It wouldn't work by just throwing the WAFL & SANFL clubs into it and then say "good luck". Its all about planning and costing with good backing & support as I said. Otherwise its not worth doing.

When I said all 18 clubs, I guess I meant all 20 clubs. It would have to include the Adelaide & Port Adelaide reserves. Along with the Dockers (through Peel) and West Coast who ideally would go it alone like the Crows, and leave East Perth alone.

The fact is these clubs would bea huge carrot for TV and public interest. In other words they could be the icebreaker for something to eventuate. But they would have to concede certain criteria to make the format more equitable & balanced. We would need these clubs to be able to sell it & keep the public & sponsors interested.