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BC wrote:

The original paper outlined the Voice will receive input from all levels of government across the country. So you'll have representatives from state and local government as well as indigenous groups sending through advice to the federal Voice panel which will all be funded by taxpayers. Paul Murray wrote an excellent opinion piece in The West a couple of weeks ago on this subject.

What cracks me up , is advocates direct you to the Uluru statement as the panacea to give you all the detail, I took the time to look it over and was amazed that proponents actually think reading it is a great advertisement for it, in fact it proposes a number of models and doesnt settle on any, what's really worrying is the bolt on supplementary bodies that no one has even mentioned, Youth Advisory Bodies and the like, the entire thing was far worse than I had pictured and just looked like an enormous bureaucratic nightmare and would make the NDIS look like good value cost wise.

We were told 1967 would solve things, then ATSIC would be the solution, The Apology would mend all the bridges, in between we have been saturated with welcome to country, acknowledgements, aboriginal flags at every turn, Indigenous footy rounds once now twice a year, and now this we are told will be the answer, to me its just another false dawn and an avoidance of responsibility.

 

I think atsic disbanded just before twenty I0. Seem to remember some corruption being a reason. And yet back in the day, it was seen as the answer. Still not sure what the federal govt thought the 'apology' would achieve? And listening to the news this morning, some people still going to be unhappy if the yes vote succeeds in the upcoming referendum!. Sounding very much like that regardless of the outcome, there is going to be unhappy people regardless!
Yes this whole subject is now too political and has been turned into an unholy bloody mess!

I was only thinking about Krudd's sorry speech today wag on the back of all the protests and noise around the Voice. Back then it was supposed to be the panacea for all of the problems for indigenous people but I guess the third of the gaol population and kids in Alice Springs didn't get the memo. Everyone including John Howard said it wouldn't count for anything and I guess they were right.

Spot on BC.
Old Howard could see (along with many others) an official apology wouldn't count for anything and basically be a waste of time.
Which has been proven to be correct.
And judging by the news today, there are plenty more problems and issues in regards to the 'voice' just over the horizon. 

Now that the Lefties are well on the way to killing Oz Day, Perth has lost yet another big event, The Skyshow, the whole place was pretty dead yesterday apart from the usual halfwits protesting in the city that ended up drunk and belting up some cops as usual.

Obviously with no skyshow no one bothered to take the kids down to watch, It felt more like an Australia day I grew up with ,literally nothing happened., we just enjoyed the long weekend, that was until Keating and Labor moved the public holiday to the 26th, personally I reckon move it to last Monday in January and be done with it, midweek days off are a pain.

There were still plenty of boats in the river around rocky bay with flags and parties going on just nothing to look at, which is sad when you think back at what a big event it once was. Beach was packed in the morning as well with lots wearing aussie gear.

I don't think this mob will ever be happy, half the protestors are voting no to the voice because it is not radical enough, half want another day half want Australia Day gone completely.

westaussieguy wrote:

Spot on BC.
Old Howard could see (along with many others) an official apology wouldn't count for anything and basically be a waste of time.
Which has been proven to be correct.
And judging by the news today, there are plenty more problems and issues in regards to the 'voice' just over the horizon. 

Was just thinking other day to the halcyon days late 90s early 2000s when we were really united as a country, I tell you I've never seen the country so fractured as it is now, you can literally feel the place cracking up under Albo and the lefts culture war on the place.

It seemed to me like the mid 80's when this country started going downhill. And sadly we're still on the decline!
Wouldn't worry too much about having no fireworks show in perth. Especially when there are Fire bans in place everywhere at this time of the year! 
One feels it is going to be a testing year for the current prime minister. Already noticed a lot of work going on behind the scenes with the voice referendum. The federal govt trying to get old dopey Dutton on board. Whether that happens is open for debate. A lot of the protesters would like to see a yes vote succeed but then many of them want the referendum to fail because they think it won't acheive much. So the country will stay fractured by the sounds of it. In all honesty, is pointless a small number of people protesting about Australia Day anyway! Should be more concerned with the real important issues facing the country that should be being addressed!

seeing some of the behaviour in Perth it's probably a good thing there was no fireworks - do not want young kids subjected to or seeing any of that 
I can't put an exact time on when we started to unravel as a country but it would probably be somewhere after the 1980's and I do think it's a combination of both sides of Govt that has it this way

Southerner wrote:

seeing some of the behaviour in Perth it's probably a good thing there was no fireworks - do not want young kids subjected to or seeing any of that 
I can't put an exact time on when we started to unravel as a country but it would probably be somewhere after the 1980's and I do think it's a combination of both sides of Govt that has it this way

There were actually fireworks and a drone show , but much smaller scale, the riot after were from the Anti Oz day protest mob hangers on.

The problem is the Liberal party which, is not British enough. The country used to be run by Anglo Liberals and a faction of the ALP which was loyal--Santa Maria and others. All the Liberals have to say is that reform, must be necessary, and, in line with the country's traditions. Over to you Mr. Dutton.