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Especially all that advice coming at him DD regarding building a COVID facility at Jandakot..........only would take 6 months apparently.....going off TFAF figures, reckon that bricks & mortar facility might be actually cheaper TBH......

Freezin wrote:

Build all the purpose built COVID hospital's you want or spruce up Freo, Shenton Park, & Osborne Park hospital's as much as you want.....pretty sure  many  a  Perth / Rural  hospital are already struggling to meet  safe staffing levels right now,  so who's going to actually work in these new facilities you folk  speak of,  that should of been built in the last 2 years by McGowan.....when world wide health staff toing and froing  has been  well n truly curtailed due to COVID.

You guys do realise, WA  has fark all staff to meet current Health Service demands right now don't you?.....Heres a laugh, perhaps we can close all the WA  Rest Homes temporarily, get families to step up and  look after their elderly loves ones at home, allowing the staff to be seconded elsewhere.....or even better close all the private hospital's temporarily,  cancel all non important  private elective  rotator cuff, ACL, knee/ hip replacement, tummy tucks, nose jobs, breast enhancement/ reduction surgeries etc etc....

​​I wonder if the likes of TFAF will be seconded from their RN/ Doctor admin roles onto the frontline when Code Brown hits WA?.....TBH this is only way I can see WA Health Service getting a quick boost in terms of  finding the staff  in this current COVID  climate, to combat Omnicrom when it inevitably rolls into town.....

Naagh.... let's build another health facility instead......looks better and makes Joe Public feel better in themselves,  when  they can visually see something in bricks and mortar in front them.....who gives a toss if there is no one available to work in it behind all that bricks and mortar.

Yes we all get it Freez so you don't have to keep saying it.  If you read my original, building a new facility was just an idea of what McCoward could have down over the last 2 years.  I wasn't suggesting he should have, am just saying he could have pulled together something purpose built which I think has been done in Adelaide.  I also recall Greg Hunt mentioned there's an agreement with private hospitals to drop everything and take Covid patients if that's required so that is another option.  It just seems to me that McClown would rather sit on his hands, shut the borders and do fuck all rather than being proactive and looking at ways to open the place up safely.  The let it rip strategy is never going to work but neither will hiding under the covers hoping it goes away.

Fair enough BC....like you I want the borders open too....NZ and WA are tracking down the same path mate.

Come end of the day I just don't want to be a sacrificial Omnicrom goat or  my wife who is also a nurse,  especially when acts of physical and verbal  abuse  continue to be directed at us and fellow frontline workers for following COVID protocols.

But then again that's just me repeating myself again....don't think any of TFAF financial incentives are worth being subjected to that shite TBH.

The latest piece of non-sensical covid rules are that an Australian resident/citizen returning from overseas can avoid 14 days hotel iso and do it at home, if they come back to WA via another state .... ok, fair enough. But if that same traveller returns directly to WA, they will be forced into 14 days hotel iso at their own cost ......... please explain???

Freeze, just asking the question, someone told me that back in the 60's new nurses learned their craft whilst on the job, what are your thoughts on making nursing like an apprenticeship, most of the time learning on the job whilst mixing in the study component, like for example 3 days on the job and 2 days on the books per week, or something similar? Also is it true that the high school score to get into nursing is far too high these days and makes it very hard to get into nursing?

Nursing, policing and armed forces are extremely hard to get into today unlike years ago.  You get what you ask for!!!!

DG, I trained old school mate, Hospital Based training based at RPH (1987-1990). Emphasis on practical over theory, though still had to pass written exams and more importantly the State Registration exam, which the Tertiary Students had to pass as well.

My training was definitely apprenticeship focus, worked on the wards and allocated 6-8 patients from day 1, real sink or swim approach, were in charge of the ward for any particular shift in my 3rd year. The tertiary students only hit the wards back then in 3rd year from memory, and only looked after 1 patient per shift...real cotton wool approach.

Pro's and con's to both, but Nursing over the last 3 decades has pushed for recognition as a profession then a vocation. Not sure the theoretical demands of the degree would allow for today's students to work as you have suggested on the wards anymore then they do now.....but definitely in 3rd year, they should be putting the books down more and applying that knowledge practically in a ward environment.

As for the Uni entrance mark, the degree is pretty Health Science focused, with some heavy duty papers, a lot go on to do their masters, ultimately I guess to become Nurse Practitioners, TFAF may know better then me though
 

58 I am willing to be corrected on this but the nursing degree has a similar entry score to teaching which seems to the last resort for those wanting a uni education, certainly the teaching stream is often used as an entry into something more 'glamorous' and produces some questionable outcomes. 

Those entering nursing may be different but I have close contact with three women who as soon as the were qualified bailed into careers that whilst called nurses are really receptionists and do some minor stuff in the surgeries.

I would never question those to take it up as a career in the health system proper but is a uni degree as useful as the Freeze experience of hands on and study to get the qualification.

Within 6 months of my graduation, I was working agency as a RN in the UK, in charge of shifts, due to chronic staff shortages in the NHS. I turned up to many a London Hospital for the first time, no orientation, just told here's the drug keys and crack on. Call me stupid, dangerous or naive, but I reckon my sink or swim Hospital Based training prepared  me to adapt pretty quickly. ...couldn't see any cotton wool Tertiary trained Nurse back then or even today have the  confidence to do it.....many practically lack the confidence or nous to do it. That's why there is a designated Post Grad program, where newly qualified RN's are mentored to help facilitate that transition from student to Registered.

Be interested to see how TFAF trained as he seems only a few years younger then me.

Grump out of the 50 students who started their training with me, 40 finished and about only 25 are still nursing....a lot just left , fed up  with shift work, hierarchy bullying, chronic staffing  shortages and the ongoing politics in Nursing and hospital's in general.....too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

I only started nursing 12 years ago Freez. 

Uni trained. Was useless for the First 6 months but got the hang of it after that. I was clinical for about 9 years but have a cushy office job now. 

Pros and cons for both Uni based and on the job. They say nurses less likely to blindly follow Doctors orders now and therefore there has been less drug overdoses etc, but as I said I was pretty useless the first 6 months