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Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote: As a matter of interest there is nothing in the report that explains how the players reacted to the suggestion that the players will get not a 10% cut in their pay but it is actually a 20% pay cut.

Supposedly there will only be 16 games played by each WAFL club.

Probably because its NOT CERTAIN THAT WILL HAPPEN.

It is a recommendation in the report. Have you read the report?

Unholytugboat - if your criticism of development coaches is directed at Mark Foster it is misplaced. Mark Foster is an excellent development coach. This is his resume on appointment at SFFC www.wafc.com.au/news/9566/south-fremantl...opment-academy-coach. Since then of course Souths have had at least Bolton and English drafted, which gives Foster a record of at least 6 AFL Draftees in 6 years of Colts coaching.
There are other very good and highly credentialed Colts and development coaches in the WAFL system, including at Yr 8, Yr 9, Yr 10 and 16s levels. Some of them have AFL/VFL experience, others have WAFL playing and coaching experience and others have run successful community Youth and WAAFL teams. Some are high quality development coaches without any high level playing experience (but playing AFL is not a guarantee of success in development coaching (or any coaching - even in the WAAFL)). It is true that there have been some poor appointments within the WAFL development pathways but generalisations are unhelpful and certainly to slate someone of the quality of Foster does not help the point that you might be trying to make.
Arguably, the WAFL Clubs have been too slow to address some coaching deficiencies in the talent pathways but there are, in my opinion, currently some excellent WAFL Colts and development coaches.

He was used as an example from Southerners recommendation.

I have nothing against the bloke, what I have said and this is pretty simple, is that if there was decent funding available to pay Coaches better candidate s would present themselves.

Would sumich coach the south Fremantle colts for $250k per year? Probably,
Is he a better suited to prepare kids for AFL, - of course.

Bazza wrote:

Freezin wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: How many games of league did Kennedy, fyfe and Franklin play at wafl?

For that matter how many years did they all spend at a wafl club?

Kennedy was part of EF Mid West talent academy/ EF under age squads as a youngster alongside Ryder etc...plus played a year of actual colts and a few league games for EF before going to Carlton.....so pretty sure Kennedy has had at least a 3 - 5 year connection at EF...enough for the guy to always return to EF when ever he can to help support the club....this sort of connection will be gone under the new structure....

Lets be honest, fewer and fewer players are coming back to their Wafl clubs freeze, whilst I agree it was a nice tradition and allmost expected, ie Peter Bell , Farmer for us. Its a dieing concept, look at Crowley and Jones.

From your own club SF list this season seeing as tho you are too lazy to look up or just have little to no idea-
Garlett
Hams
Johnson
Main
Miller-Lewis
Schloithe
Shaw
Vanderleur
Verrier
...have all come back to SF after their AFL career finished whilst Wilson has gone back to his old mans former club although originally from Peel.
Once again hardly a dieing concept considering only Jones took the more money on offer to play elsewhere!

I've seen Foster in action when he was at EF Colts- very good coach. Brendan Bolton had no AFL experience either. Fosters brother played for Fremantle.
Being a good coach and a good development coach are different.

Grassy wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: Exhibit A, the 32 year old coaching the colts at South Fremantle.

I would argue he has no AFL experience and isn't the most experienced coach to prepare draft picks for AFL.

Perhaps Southerner might know the answer to this question. Exactly how many games of VFL/AFL did John Todd coach?

I am THOROUGHLY SICK AND TIRED of the attitude of Victorians and thse who worship at the feet of Victorians like uhtb who have no idea of the quality of West Australians and South Australians who are considered worthless because they didn't play in the VFL/AFL.

And do I rate Mick Malthouse as a coach? No i don't.

PS Who is the Swans' colts' coach?

you're delusional $29m if you don't rate malthouse...probably not these days but the guy is a multi AFL premiership coach so I think that fact alone demands respect.

Yep, Toddy got the arse from the eagles after a shambolic tenure.

After Shambolic Sooking by players about him being too hard on the poor dears.

Toddy was a good WAFL coach that was where it ended...it s not like he was snapped up by another VFL club is it.

Southerner wrote: Malthouse is a divisive , arrogant & nasty individual with scant , if any , regard to anything outside Mudcity - nasty testy prick of thing who got sacked from 2 clubs
Undermined top level State football to the degree that it was canned forever

Agree he had a crap personality.

KCEF wrote: I've seen Foster in action when he was at EF Colts- very good coach. Brendan Bolton had no AFL experience either. Fosters brother played for Fremantle.
Being a good coach and a good development coach are different.

I agree he is a good coach, but they run it on a shoestring, I don't think Tug Boat is saying Foster is not doing his best, he is saying lifting it to another professional level is an entirely different matter.

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote: As a matter of interest there is nothing in the report that explains how the players reacted to the suggestion that the players will get not a 10% cut in their pay but it is actually a 20% pay cut.

Supposedly there will only be 16 games played by each WAFL club.

Probably because its NOT CERTAIN THAT WILL HAPPEN.

It is a recommendation in the report. Have you read the report?

I know the reduced fixture is , but does it specifically say there will be no top up payments to allow for the reduced games played?

Bazza wrote:

KCEF wrote: I've seen Foster in action when he was at EF Colts- very good coach. Brendan Bolton had no AFL experience either. Fosters brother played for Fremantle.
Being a good coach and a good development coach are different.

I agree he is a good coach, but they run it on a shoestring, I don't think Tug Boat is saying Foster is not doing his best, he is saying lifting it to another professional level is an entirely different matter.

Exactly,

And it's not limited to head coaches. An entire department focused not on wafl premiership s but development of talent.