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To get back to the Boston Group Review report: having it read it once my first impressions are as follows:

(i) it is nothing more nor less than a power grab and empire building exercise by the WAFC:
(ii) the changes to the colts and junior development pathway is predicated on the number of high end AFL draftees from the WAFL in the past 10 years and the perception from the AFL clubs that the draftees aren't as advanced as other jurisdictions.

Now could someone definitively say when did the WAFC take over from the WAFL clubs' junior councils?

Is the perceived lack of development of the WA draftees as a consequence of the WAFC decree that the majority of the colts' players must play in the colts and are not allowed to play in the ressies and league?

(iii) there is the lip service that they want to maintain a "exciting WAFL" but all the recommendations would result in the direct opposite.

It basically in layman's terms means a relegation of the WAFL to a 3rd tier competition - a position which guarantees that it cannot compete.

It's going to very difficult to retain what sponsors we've managed to glean in the face of the AFL vacuum that sucks all the funds up Swan - particularly now that the colts are gone

swan42 wrote: To get back to the Boston Group Review report: having it read it once my first impressions are as follows:

(i) it is nothing more nor less than a power grab and empire building exercise by the WAFC:
(ii) the changes to the colts and junior development pathway is predicated on the number of high end AFL draftees from the WAFL in the past 10 years and the perception from the AFL clubs that the draftees aren't as advanced as other jurisdictions.

Now could someone definitively say when did the WAFC take over from the WAFL clubs' junior councils?

Is the perceived lack of development of the WA draftees as a consequence of the WAFC decree that the majority of the colts' players must play in the colts and are not allowed to play in the ressies and league?

(iii) there is the lip service that they want to maintain a "exciting WAFL" but all the recommendations would result in the direct opposite.

My guess is 2005...

As this is taken from the 2016 Country Club Manual

WA Football Landscape
Football in WA is managed by the West Australian Football Commission (WAFC). The WAFC’s role is vast and includes management
of Domain Stadium, ownership of the two local AFL licenses, management and overseeing of the WAFL competition, as well as grass
roots football which includes Auskick, junior, school, women’s and senior community competitions such as WACFL Leagues.
In 1973 the West Australian Country Football League was founded and is affiliated with the WAFC. The WACFL’s major role is to
ensure the sound management of our 25 affiliated leagues.
As well as working with league presidents, secretaries and committees at trying to continually improve country football competitions,
we also provide assistance at club level and continue to strive to ensure that country football’s under age players are given opportunities
to excel in the WAFL and WAFC State programs which lead to the AFL.
There are 25 affiliated country leagues throughout WA which are all voting members of the WACFL and bound to comply with the
WACFL’s constitution and by-laws. This ensures a sound framework for our leagues to be governed by and to operate within.
All WACFL leagues are required annually to sign an Affiliation Agreement which documents all WACFL guidelines and expectations
relating to funding for the upcoming season. It is essential that these guidelines and expectations are adhered to as failure to comply
can negatively affect the funding provided to all our leagues.
In 2005, the WAFC formed eight Regional Football Development Councils (RFDCs) to manage development related aspects of regional
WA such as facilities, participation, accreditations, etc. Each of the State’s eight country regions has an RFDC and a staff member
dedicated to development of football and growing the game. This staff member is known as the Regional Development Manager.
With so many challenges facing country football as a whole, the RFDCs and the WA Country Football League must work together
to ensure that:
• regions have a strong football club structure;
• junior and youth players have the opportunity to participate in suitable football programs;
• country players are given similar opportunities to metropolitan based players to play at the highest level possible;
• football is well represented in the greater regional community;
• we have positive and family friendly environments at our matches.
Doing this will ensure that football continues to be vibrant in regional WA and ensures country WA continues to produce champions
of the future in the AFL, WAFL and in your country communities.

Dwert wrote:

swan42 wrote: To get back to the Boston Group Review report: having it read it once my first impressions are as follows:

(i) it is nothing more nor less than a power grab and empire building exercise by the WAFC:
(ii) the changes to the colts and junior development pathway is predicated on the number of high end AFL draftees from the WAFL in the past 10 years and the perception from the AFL clubs that the draftees aren't as advanced as other jurisdictions.

Now could someone definitively say when did the WAFC take over from the WAFL clubs' junior councils?

Is the perceived lack of development of the WA draftees as a consequence of the WAFC decree that the majority of the colts' players must play in the colts and are not allowed to play in the ressies and league?

(iii) there is the lip service that they want to maintain a "exciting WAFL" but all the recommendations would result in the direct opposite.

My guess is 2005...

As this is taken from the 2016 Country Club Manual

WA Football Landscape
Football in WA is managed by the West Australian Football Commission (WAFC). The WAFC’s role is vast and includes management
of Domain Stadium, ownership of the two local AFL licenses, management and overseeing of the WAFL competition, as well as grass
roots football which includes Auskick, junior, school, women’s and senior community competitions such as WACFL Leagues.
In 1973 the West Australian Country Football League was founded and is affiliated with the WAFC. The WACFL’s major role is to
ensure the sound management of our 25 affiliated leagues.
As well as working with league presidents, secretaries and committees at trying to continually improve country football competitions,
we also provide assistance at club level and continue to strive to ensure that country football’s under age players are given opportunities
to excel in the WAFL and WAFC State programs which lead to the AFL.
There are 25 affiliated country leagues throughout WA which are all voting members of the WACFL and bound to comply with the
WACFL’s constitution and by-laws. This ensures a sound framework for our leagues to be governed by and to operate within.
All WACFL leagues are required annually to sign an Affiliation Agreement which documents all WACFL guidelines and expectations
relating to funding for the upcoming season. It is essential that these guidelines and expectations are adhered to as failure to comply
can negatively affect the funding provided to all our leagues.
In 2005, the WAFC formed eight Regional Football Development Councils (RFDCs) to manage development related aspects of regional
WA such as facilities, participation, accreditations, etc. Each of the State’s eight country regions has an RFDC and a staff member
dedicated to development of football and growing the game. This staff member is known as the Regional Development Manager.
With so many challenges facing country football as a whole, the RFDCs and the WA Country Football League must work together
to ensure that:
• regions have a strong football club structure;
• junior and youth players have the opportunity to participate in suitable football programs;
• country players are given similar opportunities to metropolitan based players to play at the highest level possible;
• football is well represented in the greater regional community;
• we have positive and family friendly environments at our matches.
Doing this will ensure that football continues to be vibrant in regional WA and ensures country WA continues to produce champions
of the future in the AFL, WAFL and in your country communities.

Thanks dwert. So it seems that the decline, as noted in the BCG report, of the number if high end draft picks (top 20 and top 40) coincides with the takeover of the WAFL clubs' junior councils one could reasonably extrapolate that the number of high end draft picks will be even less under the control of the WAFC.

If your saying talent & draft picks is the priority how can better Coaches and more funding not improve the current state.

A talented kid should play against other talented players, if he is well above colts level but can't get a gig as a midfielder in the league squad because of a Jones or Crowley, is he not being held back?

New league, better Coaches, more funding better players and structures.

Which bit and I missing?

I Know many of the volunteer development coaches at wafl clubs,many would not get a gig as head coach of year 11 and 12 sides or ammo colts.

To be honest I dont think Wafl clubs can afford or make avsilable the proffesional jun development that is now required, I think its become a burden for them that they can ill afford. How can they compete with TAC clubs that have half million dollar budgets?

Unholytugboat wrote: If your saying talent & draft picks is the priority how can better Coaches and more funding not improve the current state.

A talented kid should play against other talented players, if he is well above colts level but can't get a gig as a midfielder in the league squad because of a Jones or Crowley, is he not being held back?

New league, better Coaches, more funding better players and structures.

Which bit and I missing?

I Know many of the volunteer development coaches at wafl clubs,many would not get a gig as head coach of year 11 and 12 sides or ammo colts.

They will be playing the same teams. By the bye it is not the WAFL clubs that won't pick the colts' players in the ressies or league; they were specifically prohibited from doing it. The colts players will be removed from the WAFL clubs. The consequence of that is they will not be able to get the benefit of the experience of players like (in Swans' case) Crowley, Ellis, Ames, Ellard et al. If you don't think they would benefit from that exposure, perhaps you can explain why the likes of Newcombe and Roche and now Hewitt invite and up-and-coming young player to be involved in the preparations leading up to a Davis Cup tie?

Would you care to name these supposed inept WAFL club coaches?

swan42 wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: If your saying talent & draft picks is the priority how can better Coaches and more funding not improve the current state.

A talented kid should play against other talented players, if he is well above colts level but can't get a gig as a midfielder in the league squad because of a Jones or Crowley, is he not being held back?

New league, better Coaches, more funding better players and structures.

Which bit and I missing?

I Know many of the volunteer development coaches at wafl clubs,many would not get a gig as head coach of year 11 and 12 sides or ammo colts.

They will be playing the same teams. By the bye it is not the WAFL clubs that won't pick the colts' players in the ressies or league; they were specifically prohibited from doing it. The colts players will be removed from the WAFL clubs. The consequence of that is they will not be able to get the benefit of the experience of players like (in Swans' case) Crowley, Ellis, Ames, Ellard et al. If you don't think they would benefit from that exposure, perhaps you can explain why the likes of Newcombe and Roche and now Hewitt invite and up-and-coming young player to be involved in the preparations leading up to a Davis Cup tie?

Would you care to name these supposed inept WAFL club coaches?

No I will not, most do the best they can with skills they have. If you are saying a malthouse, waters or sumich can not provide a better environment to foster talent then a local volunteer coach who attended a single day level 1 certificate course.. then you have no right to be commenting on this matter.

Think of it this way... and i do not want to get into an argument about WAFL clubs this is just an example. West Perth & Subiaco are 2 clubs I have followed over the years, Subiaco is very successful, probably the best run and coached side in the WAFL in my opinion. If I had a son around the age of 16, 17 that was a very good footballer, I would be uncomfortable with him going to Subiaco.
I would much prefer he went to West Perth. In my opinion West Perth give there young players a go in the League side to see what they "have got". To prove this, there is easily 3 -5 fringe players at Subiaco who would be walk up starts in the League side at West Perth.

Subiaco love premierships and draft in interstate players etc to achieve this... and good on them. West Perth aren't as active at the recruitment table and a forced to blood young talented players show casing young kids at the highest level. - I would even go as far as saying WP have handed a few players easy starts in the league, but thats no different to what Ross Lyon is about to do in order to develop.

Unholytugboat wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Unholytugboat wrote: If your saying talent & draft picks is the priority how can better Coaches and more funding not improve the current state.

A talented kid should play against other talented players, if he is well above colts level but can't get a gig as a midfielder in the league squad because of a Jones or Crowley, is he not being held back?

New league, better Coaches, more funding better players and structures.

Which bit and I missing?

I Know many of the volunteer development coaches at wafl clubs,many would not get a gig as head coach of year 11 and 12 sides or ammo colts.

They will be playing the same teams. By the bye it is not the WAFL clubs that won't pick the colts' players in the ressies or league; they were specifically prohibited from doing it. The colts players will be removed from the WAFL clubs. The consequence of that is they will not be able to get the benefit of the experience of players like (in Swans' case) Crowley, Ellis, Ames, Ellard et al. If you don't think they would benefit from that exposure, perhaps you can explain why the likes of Newcombe and Roche and now Hewitt invite and up-and-coming young player to be involved in the preparations leading up to a Davis Cup tie?

Would you care to name these supposed inept WAFL club coaches?

No I will not, most do the best they can with skills they have. If you are saying a malthouse, waters or sumich can not provide a better environment to foster talent then a local volunteer coach who attended a single day level 1 certificate course.. then you have no right to be commenting on this matter.

Think of it this way... and i do not want to get into an argument about WAFL clubs this is just an example. West Perth & Subiaco are 2 clubs I have followed over the years, Subiaco is very successful, probably the best run and coached side in the WAFL in my opinion. If I had a son around the age of 16, 17 that was a very good footballer, I would be uncomfortable with him going to Subiaco.
I would much prefer he went to West Perth. In my opinion West Perth give there young players a go in the League side to see what they "have got". To prove this, there is easily 3 -5 fringe players at Subiaco who would be walk up starts in the League side at West Perth.

Subiaco love premierships and draft in interstate players etc to achieve this... and good on them. West Perth aren't as active at the recruitment table and a forced to blood young talented players show casing young kids at the highest level. - I would even go as far as saying WP have handed a few players easy starts in the league, but thats no different to what Ross Lyon is about to do in order to develop.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha thankyou I needed to laugh , ridiculous geez slag off successful Colts coaches & then run away when you're asked to name them hahahahaha ripper joke mate

How about this, u list off the names of the development Coaches at your club and list their credentials??

Or are u like me and have a bit of respect for volunteers like these?