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Damned if you do and damned if you don't with this lot DG....show respect for your opponent by saying your unbeatable team is beatable and you get ridiculed....treat your opponent with disdain and say they are a crock of shite...and guess what?... you are regarded as arrogant....fark it's a tough old gig this supporting Subi lark....

Freezin wrote: Damned if you do and damned if you don't with this lot DG....show respect for your opponent by saying your unbeatable team is beatable and you get ridiculed....treat your opponent with disdain and say they are a crock shite...and guess what you are regarded as arrogant....fark it's a tough old gig this supporting Subi....

You got that right Freez. The critics conveniently ignore the fact that Subi just worked harder. We had 80 more disposals, double the inside 50s, 21 more scoring shots yet won the tackle count 82 to 65....how does that work?

STD in my earlier post i put some options on the table re equalisation, when will I see some similar offerings from you or are you just a "bag the shit out of Subi" one trick pony?
As for comments about Maloney and Barber not having an impact at Perth, i understand it's due to the club and players not buying into the intense committment required by those guys, not what they were offering. The programme was there you just needed to take advantage of it.

Heard an interesting comment on ABC radio this morning on Wolfy's show, one of the guys who commentated the GF for ABC radio recounted the situation when Boland and Delahunty came over from Vic and spoke to WP who only sent their recruiting bloke to have a chat. When they went and spoke to Subi, the club sent the president, CEO, senior coach and a group of senior players to meet with them, so who shows potential recruits the most respect and who makes the biggest effort to get these sorts of players?? If your going to play the game you have to play it harder and smarter than the rest.

Senior Seagull wrote: STD in my earlier post i put some options on the table re equalisation, when will I see some similar offerings from you or are you just a "bag the shit out of Subi" one trick pony?
As for comments about Maloney and Barber not having an impact at Perth, i understand it's due to the club and players not buying into the intense committment required by those guys, not what they were offering. The programme was there you just needed to take advantage of it.

Heard an interesting comment on ABC radio this morning on Wolfy's show, one of the guys who commentated the GF for ABC radio recounted the situation when Boland and Delahunty came over from Vic and spoke to WP who only sent their recruiting bloke to have a chat. When they went and spoke to Subi, the club sent the president, CEO, senior coach and a group of senior players to meet with them, so who shows potential recruits the most respect and who makes the biggest effort to get these sorts of players?? If your going to play the game you have to play it harder and smarter than the rest.

Good on WP.
They heard the paper bags were already out.

It amazes me how many Subi supporters there are in denial.
How the f**k do you think this has happened.
Talk about naive.

SS, you "understand" Perth players didn't want to make the commitment? What is your understanding based on? My guess: nothing but what you have rationalised in your own mind, that Subi are the best because they try harder, train harder and are, in some unspecified way, "managed" better. We just had Wardman, a guy who walked into the easiest coaching job in Australia, accusing Subi critics of being disrespectful. He said it "takes away and distracts" from the effort the players put in, players, he said, who train at the club four times a week. What, does he think other clubs have a mid-week kick-to-kick session, then rock up on game day?

Here's what is disrespectful. Every club has players who bust a gut, who train hard, who juggle work, study and family to make a commitment to play the highest level of footy they can. Then Subi comes out and accuses them of not training hard enough, not being committed enough. Every club has administrators and volunteers who are astute people, who put in the hours, often unpaid, to do their best for their club. However, a large part of their job is fundraising to just keep the doors open. Then Subi, with millions flowing into the coffers, accuse these people of being inferior managers. Subi suggest that they and they alone have somehow managed to unlock the key to footy success that has eluded their rivals. Then we have the facile "raise the standard" mantra, the WAFL version of "let them eat cake."

Then we have grand final day. Through the season Subi fans kept saying that Souths were a good team, Subi would have to be at their best, etc. Souths are a team who lost a huge number of talented and experienced players from 2018. It was a big effort for them to make the GF under those circumstances. Yet in the wake of the GF loss, Subi fans accuse them of being disinterested, unfit and overweight. The facade has dropped and the naked triumphalism of Subi's board and supporters is laid bare as they dance on the grave of the WAFL.

That, my friends, is what disrespect looks like.

Great post Ted.
Well thought out and well put.

Ted Nugent wrote: SS, you "understand" Perth players didn't want to make the commitment? What is your understanding based on? My guess: nothing but what you have rationalised in your own mind, that Subi are the best because they try harder, train harder and are, in some unspecified way, "managed" better. We just had Wardman, a guy who walked into the easiest coaching job in Australia, accusing Subi critics of being disrespectful. He said it "takes away and distracts" from the effort the players put in, players, he said, who train at the club four times a week. What, does he think other clubs have a mid-week kick-to-kick session, then rock up on game day?

Here's what is disrespectful. Every club has players who bust a gut, who train hard, who juggle work, study and family to make a commitment to play the highest level of footy they can. Then Subi comes out and accuses them of not training hard enough, not being committed enough. Every club has administrators and volunteers who are astute people, who put in the hours, often unpaid, to do their best for their club. However, a large part of their job is fundraising to just keep the doors open. Then Subi, with millions flowing into the coffers, accuse these people of being inferior managers. Subi suggest that they and they alone have somehow managed to unlock the key to footy success that has eluded their rivals. Then we have the facile "raise the standard" mantra, the WAFL version of "let them eat cake."

Then we have grand final day. Through the season Subi fans kept saying that Souths were a good team, Subi would have to be at their best, etc. Souths are a team who lost a huge number of talented and experienced players from 2018. It was a big effort for them to make the GF under those circumstances. Yet in the wake of the GF loss, Subi fans accuse them of being disinterested, unfit and overweight. The facade has dropped and the naked triumphalism of Subi's board and supporters is laid bare as they dance on the grave of the WAFL.

That, my friends, is what disrespect looks like.

That is complete and utter rubbish TN. The Subiaco Football Club has never said other teams don't train or try hard enough. Wardman was responding to commentary that the only reason for my club's success is the recruiting campaign over the last several years which is disingenuous and trivialises the amount of work and effort put in by the players, coaching staff and administrators. Comments around effort and commitment to get better have been made by posters on here not the SFC. Subi does train harder than everyone else which has been confirmed by the likes of John Townsend, Xavier Ellis and even EP posters on here who observe the club as a normal function of ground sharing. Now let's turn to the GF. If you thought the effort of SF on the day was acceptable after beating Subi earlier in the season and accounting for a very strong Claremont only 7 days earlier then it's no wonder your club has been in the wilderness for 40 odd years. Even Todd Curley admitted his boys never fired a shot and when you consider we had 80 more possessions but out tackled Souths 82 to 65 then you don't have to be Einstein to understand how poor they were in comparison to the rest of the season. I've stated on here ad nauseum that Subi's dominance is detrimental to the comp but it's up to the regulator to do something about not the club or its supporters on here.

BC try reading the paper this morning.
Confirming what your mighty coach has said on radio.
Ted is quite correct a total disrespect to the other Clubs.
You can only do what your resources allow.
If you can pay players to be full time footballers so be it.
But that is the mismatch.
Other Clubs can't pay their players full time salaries.

BC, even if Subi do train harder, I can't accept that would account for the level of dominance they have had over an extended period. Footy is fundamentally pretty simple. Every club has a gruelling pre-season and every player trains hard. Clubs have a broadly similar game plan. If Subi train harder, that might give them an edge but not to the extent of winning 95% of games with a % of 200 over the last three years. Likewise management. Every club employs footy managers, fitness people, recruiting officers, etc. It might be possible that Subi do those things a little better, but not so much as to account for the disparity between them and other clubs. So that means it comes back to the quality of players on the field, and that is dictated primarily by money. I don't doubt that Subi players train hard, but no other WAFL club could afford to assemble a list like Subi have. They might as a one-off, like SD in 2010, but to regenerate and sustain quality lists for 15+ years is unprecedented. Serious question: can anyone here tell me when Subi last lost a required player to another WAFL club?

Chris Bryan to Perth this year.