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Senior Seagull wrote: Are we over cautious? Well lets look at the latest figures I could find.

As of today in Australia:
total cases - 6,600
Total recovered - 4,230
Total deaths - 71

Compare that to the USA:
Total cases - 764,177
Total recovered - 70,172
Total deaths - 40,591

Now the USA has a population 13 times that of Australia so when you times our figures by 13 you get the following:

Cases - 85,800
recovered - 54,990
deaths - 910

So you can see that Australia by comparison with the land of the Orange bloated one is doing it so much better. We'd all like the restrictions un-tightened but doing it too early will only result in the virus taking a 2nd hold and it will be far worse. Unlike the USA our federal and state governments and the population have taken it seriously with the result that we are well on the way to containing it and the chances of a sustained long term recovery are so much better, act too quickly and all the good work will be undone.

Just yesterday Trump was saying that the USA has handled the virus better than anyone else, perhaps barring Germany, who the phark does this bloke think he's kidding with these patent lies and fake news announcements.

SS do you have the figures of how many people on average enter the United States on a daily basis from foreign lands compared to Australia? Because as we know, that’s how the virus enters a country. And then can we narrow it down to how many came in from China?

I’m afraid your simple times table is not even close to a true comparison. Just more Trump bashing. But if we were under threat from China no doubt you will all sing a different tune.

DD wrote: Given the government has always reported there has been no community spread and our state and international borders are closed and anyone returning has to go into forced isolation, is there any reason for these extreme isolation rules and measures?

I think it's way over the top and I've witnessed and experienced paranoia in the community. These measures have to be weighed up against the cost of mental health and the economy. I think fair enough keep the borders closed and maintain the forced isolation laws for those returning from overseas and interstate but let's get back to work and back to living within our own borders.

It's all about testing now. If we can rapidly ramp up the scale of community testing then yeah, the shackles can come off. If you can quickly identify, isolate and trace outbreaks through widespread testing then we can contain the spread within the community to a tolerable level without having to meltdown the rest of the economy. Until then we don't really know the rate of community infection so, understandably, governments and health authorities are reluctant to ease off on restrictions. But that moment is getting closer provided we have sufficient testing capability.

What this pandemic has shown is how woefully inadequate pandemic preparation has been in most of the advanced economies.

Dazzler wrote:

DD wrote: Given the government has always reported there has been no community spread and our state and international borders are closed and anyone returning has to go into forced isolation, is there any reason for these extreme isolation rules and measures?

I think it's way over the top and I've witnessed and experienced paranoia in the community. These measures have to be weighed up against the cost of mental health and the economy. I think fair enough keep the borders closed and maintain the forced isolation laws for those returning from overseas and interstate but let's get back to work and back to living within our own borders.

It's all about testing now. If we can rapidly ramp up the scale of community testing then yeah, the shackles can come off. If you can quickly identify, isolate and trace outbreaks through widespread testing then we can contain the spread within the community to a tolerable level without having to meltdown the rest of the economy. Until then we don't really know the rate of community infection so, understandably, governments and health authorities are reluctant to ease off on restrictions. But that moment is getting closer provided we have sufficient testing capability.

What this pandemic has shown is how woefully inadequate pandemic preparation has been in most of the advanced economies.

Daz I think it’s been 2 weeks now testing has been opened up to ANYONE with a fever or respiratory symptoms and I thought that would show up bigger numbers but the opposite has occurred.

Numbers have continued a downward trend. I think last two days in WA alone was zero and one. Qld, the third highest rate of infection recorded zero yesterday. It’s pretty clear closing the borders and forcing those off cruise ships and flights into isolation has stopped it in its tracks.

Dazzler wrote:

DD wrote: Given the government has always reported there has been no community spread and our state and international borders are closed and anyone returning has to go into forced isolation, is there any reason for these extreme isolation rules and measures?

I think it's way over the top and I've witnessed and experienced paranoia in the community. These measures have to be weighed up against the cost of mental health and the economy. I think fair enough keep the borders closed and maintain the forced isolation laws for those returning from overseas and interstate but let's get back to work and back to living within our own borders.

It's all about testing now. If we can rapidly ramp up the scale of community testing then yeah, the shackles can come off. If you can quickly identify, isolate and trace outbreaks through widespread testing then we can contain the spread within the community to a tolerable level without having to meltdown the rest of the economy. Until then we don't really know the rate of community infection so, understandably, governments and health authorities are reluctant to ease off on restrictions. But that moment is getting closer provided we have sufficient testing capability.

What this pandemic has shown is how woefully inadequate pandemic preparation has been in most of the advanced economies.

Our testing is among the best in the world

We are at about 16.1 tests per 1000 people

the UK is 5.5 and the US 11.1.

And yep its all about the testing, really ramp that up locally along with a gradual reopening and I think we are on top of this. It is very important we keep borders under control though.

DD wrote:

Dazzler wrote:

DD wrote: Given the government has always reported there has been no community spread and our state and international borders are closed and anyone returning has to go into forced isolation, is there any reason for these extreme isolation rules and measures?

I think it's way over the top and I've witnessed and experienced paranoia in the community. These measures have to be weighed up against the cost of mental health and the economy. I think fair enough keep the borders closed and maintain the forced isolation laws for those returning from overseas and interstate but let's get back to work and back to living within our own borders.

It's all about testing now. If we can rapidly ramp up the scale of community testing then yeah, the shackles can come off. If you can quickly identify, isolate and trace outbreaks through widespread testing then we can contain the spread within the community to a tolerable level without having to meltdown the rest of the economy. Until then we don't really know the rate of community infection so, understandably, governments and health authorities are reluctant to ease off on restrictions. But that moment is getting closer provided we have sufficient testing capability.

What this pandemic has shown is how woefully inadequate pandemic preparation has been in most of the advanced economies.

Daz I think it’s been 2 weeks now testing has been opened up to ANYONE with a fever or respiratory symptoms and I thought that would show up bigger numbers but the opposite has occurred.

Numbers have continued a downward trend. I think last two days in WA alone was zero and one. Qld, the third highest rate of infection recorded zero yesterday. It’s pretty clear closing the borders and forcing those off cruise ships and flights into isolation has stopped it in its tracks.

The reason the spread has fallen is a due in a long way due to the isolation we have imposed.

Bazza wrote:

DD wrote:

Dazzler wrote:

DD wrote: Given the government has always reported there has been no community spread and our state and international borders are closed and anyone returning has to go into forced isolation, is there any reason for these extreme isolation rules and measures?

I think it's way over the top and I've witnessed and experienced paranoia in the community. These measures have to be weighed up against the cost of mental health and the economy. I think fair enough keep the borders closed and maintain the forced isolation laws for those returning from overseas and interstate but let's get back to work and back to living within our own borders.

It's all about testing now. If we can rapidly ramp up the scale of community testing then yeah, the shackles can come off. If you can quickly identify, isolate and trace outbreaks through widespread testing then we can contain the spread within the community to a tolerable level without having to meltdown the rest of the economy. Until then we don't really know the rate of community infection so, understandably, governments and health authorities are reluctant to ease off on restrictions. But that moment is getting closer provided we have sufficient testing capability.

What this pandemic has shown is how woefully inadequate pandemic preparation has been in most of the advanced economies.

Daz I think it’s been 2 weeks now testing has been opened up to ANYONE with a fever or respiratory symptoms and I thought that would show up bigger numbers but the opposite has occurred.

Numbers have continued a downward trend. I think last two days in WA alone was zero and one. Qld, the third highest rate of infection recorded zero yesterday. It’s pretty clear closing the borders and forcing those off cruise ships and flights into isolation has stopped it in its tracks.

The reason the spread has fallen is a due in a long way due to the isolation we have imposed.

Imposed on those returning off cruise ships and flights.

DD wrote:

BC wrote: DD...Take your Trump and Pence t-shirt off mate. I don't think governments at state and/or federal level have been over cautious at all. It's only been in the last week or so that we've seen single digit increases in cases in WA and now that the stinking cruise ships have all pissed off, we might start to see a gradual lifting of restrictions as Baz alluded to. I don't think it's financially viable for WAFL clubs to play to empty grand stands so until crowd limits are lifted I can't see anything happening for a couple of months yet.

More like get your hand off your Trump obsession BC. It's my own personal opinion thank you very much.

Yep...fair enough...and good topic btw. It certainly brings peoples opinions to the fore. I can't believe how disciplined we've all been with very few cases of idiots breaking the rules.

Guys. The US may have had a lot more death than us but they are mourning and “I can tell ya nobody mourns better than us”. DJT

DD wrote:

Bazza wrote:

DD wrote:

Dazzler wrote:

DD wrote: Given the government has always reported there has been no community spread and our state and international borders are closed and anyone returning has to go into forced isolation, is there any reason for these extreme isolation rules and measures?

I think it's way over the top and I've witnessed and experienced paranoia in the community. These measures have to be weighed up against the cost of mental health and the economy. I think fair enough keep the borders closed and maintain the forced isolation laws for those returning from overseas and interstate but let's get back to work and back to living within our own borders.

It's all about testing now. If we can rapidly ramp up the scale of community testing then yeah, the shackles can come off. If you can quickly identify, isolate and trace outbreaks through widespread testing then we can contain the spread within the community to a tolerable level without having to meltdown the rest of the economy. Until then we don't really know the rate of community infection so, understandably, governments and health authorities are reluctant to ease off on restrictions. But that moment is getting closer provided we have sufficient testing capability.

What this pandemic has shown is how woefully inadequate pandemic preparation has been in most of the advanced economies.

Daz I think it’s been 2 weeks now testing has been opened up to ANYONE with a fever or respiratory symptoms and I thought that would show up bigger numbers but the opposite has occurred.

Numbers have continued a downward trend. I think last two days in WA alone was zero and one. Qld, the third highest rate of infection recorded zero yesterday. It’s pretty clear closing the borders and forcing those off cruise ships and flights into isolation has stopped it in its tracks.

The reason the spread has fallen is a due in a long way due to the isolation we have imposed.

Imposed on those returning off cruise ships and flights.

There was one bloke that came back from Bali against advice and was about to go to his mine-site and got picked up by Rio.

BC wrote:

DD wrote:

BC wrote: DD...Take your Trump and Pence t-shirt off mate. I don't think governments at state and/or federal level have been over cautious at all. It's only been in the last week or so that we've seen single digit increases in cases in WA and now that the stinking cruise ships have all pissed off, we might start to see a gradual lifting of restrictions as Baz alluded to. I don't think it's financially viable for WAFL clubs to play to empty grand stands so until crowd limits are lifted I can't see anything happening for a couple of months yet.

More like get your hand off your Trump obsession BC. It's my own personal opinion thank you very much.

Yep...fair enough...and good topic btw. It certainly brings peoples opinions to the fore. I can't believe how disciplined we've all been with very few cases of idiots breaking the rules.

Yeah, its worked really well, and Ive been all good with it and Ive found the whingers really pathetic tbh, I mean how hard is it, but I reckon its going to be hard to justify going forward for us in WA, with zero new cases today, I think Sneakers is going to have to start a gradual relaxation, like I say Im all good with things but there are others who just cant cope, listening to callers on 6pr this morning I reckon it wont be long before there is a mass ignoring or rules.

Big Teeth in NZ just announced they are coming out of full lock down in a week, its probably approaching a time when Sneakers will have to set a date for a phase one re opening.