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Even His McGowan-ness has said that the document mentions the use of strategic location lockdowns after 80% vax, so if there's an outbreak in the norther suburbs then they are locked down, or Peel or Bunbury and the like. My opinion is that at 80% ++, we need to know that we wont have state wide or even Metro/Peel lockdowns at the drop of a hat at 1 case. I'll be in the 80% so if the Covid deniers get it I wont give a rats. Need to use the Covid vaxed app as a kind of passport so those that have done the right thing can move around relatively unrestricted whereas those who choose not to vax have to live with restrictions but that will be their own choice.

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Even His McGowan-ness has said that the document mentions the use of strategic location lockdowns after 80% vax, so if there's an outbreak in the norther suburbs then they are locked down, or Peel or Bunbury and the like. My opinion is that at 80% ++, we need to know that we wont have state wide or even Metro/Peel lockdowns at the drop of a hat at 1 case. I'll be in the 80% so if the Covid deniers get it I wont give a rats. Need to use the Covid vaxed app as a kind of passport so those that have done the right thing can move around relatively unrestricted whereas those who choose not to vax have to live with restrictions but that will be their own choice.

The first point that should be clarified is exactly what 80% means.  Does it mean 80% of the entire population or 80% of those eligible to receive the vaccine?  It should be pointed out that at 80% of the entire population it means that there would be over 5 million Australians not vaccinated.

It is indisputable that when we open up there will be more cases than what we currently have.

As a matter of interest does reaching 80% mean that our international borders will also open up with no restrictions?

I would hope it means our international borders are open to inbound and outbound pax who are fully vaccinated.  Once we hit the agreed target be it 70, 80 or whatever % then we should be able to move about freely here in Oz and in other countries as determined by their govts.   McGoo can have his micro lockdowns if it makes him feel better and those who choose not to be vaccinated can cop what's coming to them whatever that may be.

still reckon there'll be a 20 to 30% of redneck that will refuse vaccination or have anything to offer

Quite clearly there are states/territories that have articulated their prerogative to institute lockdowns if they deem it necessary going forward.  The federal government has implied that after reaching the 70/80% vaccination rate there will be no financial assistance to those states/territories.

There is a very simple solution to resolve this impasse.  Morrison can call an early election, like Trudeau has done in Canada so the Canadian voters can determine the direction of their federal government's  COVID-19 pandemic, and ask the Australian voters to endorse his government's plan to cut the financial support to states such as Queensland and WA.

swan42 wrote:

Quite clearly there are states/territories that have articulated their prerogative to institute lockdowns if they deem it necessary going forward.  The federal government has implied that after reaching the 70/80% vaccination rate there will be no financial assistance to those states/territories.

There is a very simple solution to resolve this impasse.  Morrison can call an early election, like Trudeau has done in Canada so the Canadian voters can determine the direction of their federal government's  COVID-19 pandemic, and ask the Australian voters to endorse his government's plan to cut the financial support to states such as Queensland and WA.

Are you sitting down with your slippers on 42? I think McGoo has said opening interstate borders with 70-80% of the eligible population vaccinated, was agreed to dependant on no more than about 30 positive cases nationally. I’m with McGoo on this one. It would be absolute madness to open our borders to any state where the rates of positive cases is out of control. 

That being said, it is inevitable that all states will have to live with people being infected with this virus in the community WITHOUT going into lockdown. So McGoo and Cooked better get used to the idea and get our health system up to scratch. 

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swan42 wrote:

Quite clearly there are states/territories that have articulated their prerogative to institute lockdowns if they deem it necessary going forward.  The federal government has implied that after reaching the 70/80% vaccination rate there will be no financial assistance to those states/territories.

There is a very simple solution to resolve this impasse.  Morrison can call an early election, like Trudeau has done in Canada so the Canadian voters can determine the direction of their federal government's  COVID-19 pandemic, and ask the Australian voters to endorse his government's plan to cut the financial support to states such as Queensland and WA.

Are you sitting down with your slippers on 42? I think McGoo has said opening interstate borders with 70-80% of the eligible population vaccinated, was agreed to dependant on no more than about 30 positive cases nationally. I’m with McGoo on this one. It would be absolute madness to open our borders to any state where the rates of positive cases is out of control. 

That being said, it is inevitable that all states will have to live with people being infected with this virus in the community WITHOUT going into lockdown. So McGoo and Cooked better get used to the idea and get our health system up to scratch. 

Good luck with that DD.  Just like our very good friend comrade 42, McGoo and Cooked turn everything even remotely related to Covid into a political issue and not a health problem.  It suits their purpose to deflect attention away from all the other problems we currently have including the aforementioned health system.  If Covid wasn't around this government would be stuffed based on its record of achievement or lack thereof so far when you look at all the other things it's getting wrong.  Ramping times trebled over the last 4 years, code yellows by hospitals almost a weekly event, public housing waiting times at record highs after some genius in the labor government decided to sell of hundreds of houses are just a few things that have gone down hill under this rabble.

BC along with health, the public housing situation is the big one and it's actually connected to public health specifically mental health and crime. there are endless studies that show that when people have a safe secure place to live, then their mental and physical health improves and crime reduces. This government which is reportedly running a $5mil++ surplus has done next to nothing regards the public housing emergency. The continuing lack of any plan for public housing will create more pressure on an already failing health system. They are a one trip pony, I hope they have some sort of forward planning once we reach 80%+ Vax and the population want/expect some freedom of movement to return, as then, he wont have that card to play.

Hey comrade 42. I see the latest polls have shown the coalition's primary vote at 40% to Labor's 32 which are the levels at the last election in 2019. ScoMo's approval rating is double that of Albo's at 46 to 23. Still want to call the election? At this rate we might see one before the end of the year.

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DD wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Quite clearly there are states/territories that have articulated their prerogative to institute lockdowns if they deem it necessary going forward.  The federal government has implied that after reaching the 70/80% vaccination rate there will be no financial assistance to those states/territories.

There is a very simple solution to resolve this impasse.  Morrison can call an early election, like Trudeau has done in Canada so the Canadian voters can determine the direction of their federal government's  COVID-19 pandemic, and ask the Australian voters to endorse his government's plan to cut the financial support to states such as Queensland and WA.

Are you sitting down with your slippers on 42? I think McGoo has said opening interstate borders with 70-80% of the eligible population vaccinated, was agreed to dependant on no more than about 30 positive cases nationally. I’m with McGoo on this one. It would be absolute madness to open our borders to any state where the rates of positive cases is out of control. 

That being said, it is inevitable that all states will have to live with people being infected with this virus in the community WITHOUT going into lockdown. So McGoo and Cooked better get used to the idea and get our health system up to scratch. 

Good luck with that DD.  Just like our very good friend comrade 42, McGoo and Cooked turn everything even remotely related to Covid into a political issue and not a health problem.  It suits their purpose to deflect attention away from all the other problems we currently have including the aforementioned health system.  If Covid wasn't around this government would be stuffed based on its record of achievement or lack thereof so far when you look at all the other things it's getting wrong.  Ramping times trebled over the last 4 years, code yellows by hospitals almost a weekly event, public housing waiting times at record highs after some genius in the labor government decided to sell of hundreds of houses are just a few things that have gone down hill under this rabble.

It is patently ridiculous to suggest that the Labor government would not have been returned if the COVID-19 pandemic had not occurred.

Speaking of ramping it is not a singular issue for WA.  Why were ambulances ramped for 6 hours in NSW recently?  Why has ambulance ramping occurred in SA recently?

Our next state election is due in 2025.   Will the leader of the federal Liberal Party appear hear in that election campaign?