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BH after watching Subi last Saturday with that brick wall defence they have.Unless something goes seriously wrong for Subi in the finals.They look the favourites atm.

BigO wrote: Numbers playing footy not including Auskick by District 2016
EP 2003
PTH 2061
SWANS 2689
CLAR 2578
SUBI 1708
WP 2302
EF 2572
SF 2548
PEEL 3167

Explains somewhat you are saying La Hincha

Would love to see the actual figures from the Census report we are going to do next week and match them against the above figures with a percentage of actual participants.

Either way participation throughout is on the decline (except Auskick). Jacko hit the nail on the head on Open Mike last week in saying the AFL are doing nothing to help with grass roots footy. It was great to hear it on TV but I'd say it would of been over shadowed by all the other carry on. Who would of thought EF & SF have had to combine their older age groups to sustain a decent comp...absolutely disgraceful!!!

Beasley Hutton wrote: Serious question for LH ...are you having a lend of us with this topic?
In the last 31 years you are destined for your 9th flag, 16th GF appearance & 25th finals appearance this season in that time period with a (especially last 15 years) largely foreign legion playing squad. That is more than a decent run at it in any fair minded laymans terms and to be honest the continual success of Subi has been as detrimental to the overall interest or disinterest maybe more appropriate in the WAFL as the 2 alignment fiascos. Yes I understand that is League not Colts but if you believe that club ethos would change even after a zone redistribution then you are seriously mistaken!

Thank you for that BH, your comments perfectly support and back up the point that LH is trying to make, when the zones and participation numbers are evened up just a little bit, Subiaco will hopefully see more home grown talent comming through and will rely a lot less on recruiting. Good to see that you're on the same page as us.

BigO wrote: Numbers playing footy not including Auskick by District 2016
EP 2003
PTH 2061
SWANS 2689
CLAR 2578
SUBI 1708
WP 2302
EF 2572
SF 2548
PEEL 3167

Explains somewhat you are saying La Hincha

Do these numbers include the country zones?

the key to any zones is to make sure kids are travelling to a WAFL club which is actually near their zone..
Subi colts would be better off basing themselves at Kingsway for all their training and development as that club is a massive club and high on the ladder in junior grades and coudl be used as a central point in their zone, making kids travel all the way to Leederville makes no sense.
pinching a junior club off another zone only makes sense if the kids dont have to travel too far as its the parents and the kids who have to do the travelling, not the decision makers.

What the Eagles may do in the future is very fluid. One guarantee is they want their players largely in one team. So we can get the idea of an equal split of talent out of our heads.

After the last Zone re-distribution, where Subi basically got nothing they asked for, a rep of the board was heard to comment that "given this decision the club has been given no alternative but to continue to recruit players from local and interstate to underpin continued success" This is a chicken and egg situation of give us a far go with junior zones and we wont have to go outside to maintain a quality list. Certainly when Subi oval is demolished and our historic link with and contract over the ground rights finishes at the end of '17, the junior situation becomes even more relevant.

All clubs recruit outside to some extent, even with a vast junior district including Ellenbrook back then, Swans recruited outside to the extent of around 50% of their 2010 flag team, they chose to do that, Subi don't have the extent of choice of juniors that other clubs like Swans have so don't have the same choices.

SS let me put it too you this way.
In the last 30 years alone you have won more flags and played in more GFs than both SD & P have in their respective long history and you guys believe $ubi need and deserve more help!?

in 2013 Subi colts finished 3rd and Swans last so they have had some talent in recent years, maybe identifying what has happened since then may be a bigger issue than just numbers.

have Subi got the right coaching and development people in place ? is it resourced properly ?

if all people are doing is looking at numbers then Peel should win every year.

can Subi people please provide an assessment of their junior development set-ups at colts level that justifies why the zones should change.

thanks.

Beasley Hutton wrote: SS let me put it too you this way.
In the last 30 years alone you have won more flags and played in more GFs than both SD & P have in their respective long history and you guys believe $ubi need and deserve more help!?

Based on that logic? you would have agreed if swans had their districts reduced by 40% back then given the massive funding you had for country, indigenous and junior development, that no other club had access to? Your club had money and did exactly what Subi have done and any other club would do in the same situation, so don't pretend your sitting on the high moral ground.