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Some smart well connected people on the Subi board along with those on the periphery who are all doing their best to ensure the future financial viability of their club. 2 whom I know personally and can only admire the passion and drive they have to make their club a success. Hard to begrudge them success for the effort and personal investment of time they give along with their ability to make shit happen. They also don’t get held to ransom by people who have their own personal agenda at the club. No passengers on and off the field.

I understand their dominance is helping kill off the comp and in past years there has clearly been some suspect behaviour. I hate getting smashed by them as much as anyone but I refuse to believe that we must just bow and ask for outside assistance to defeat them. Learn from their model and challenge our own clubs to become as effective from top to bottom. If we don’t develop ourselves and accept mediocrity within we will always be fragile fodder against this mob.

Rather than quote all of the comments I have copied DW's latest post as above. DW my question to you is the 2 people you know personally do they acknowledge that there is a negative impact on the WAFL competition as a consequence of their dominance?

Whilst I understand there may be a reluctance on your part to name names within our club, perhaps you can provide specific or general examples of what Swans needs to do to be able to compete with Subiaco and the aligned clubs? I personally think that there should be changes at board level.

What can Swans do in a practical sense to try to mitigate against the financial clout that Subiaco has in being able to match or exceed offers Swans or their clubs might make to attract quality recruits?

swan42 wrote: Some smart well connected people on the Subi board along with those on the periphery who are all doing their best to ensure the future financial viability of their club. 2 whom I know personally and can only admire the passion and drive they have to make their club a success. Hard to begrudge them success for the effort and personal investment of time they give along with their ability to make shit happen. They also don’t get held to ransom by people who have their own personal agenda at the club. No passengers on and off the field.

I understand their dominance is helping kill off the comp and in past years there has clearly been some suspect behaviour. I hate getting smashed by them as much as anyone but I refuse to believe that we must just bow and ask for outside assistance to defeat them. Learn from their model and challenge our own clubs to become as effective from top to bottom. If we don’t develop ourselves and accept mediocrity within we will always be fragile fodder against this mob.

Rather than quote all of the comments I have copied DW's latest post as above. DW my question to you is the 2 people you know personally do they acknowledge that there is a negative impact on the WAFL competition as a consequence of their dominance?

Whilst I understand there may be a reluctance on your part to name names within our club, perhaps you can provide specific or general examples of what Swans needs to do to be able to compete with Subiaco and the aligned clubs? I personally think that there should be changes at board level.

What can Swans do in a practical sense to try to mitigate against the financial clout that Subiaco has in being able to match or exceed offers Swans or their clubs might make to attract quality recruits?

Don’t wanna appear rude 42 but out and about atm so will provide a detailed response later this evening

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swan42 wrote: And for freezin's benefit the word should be magnificent in this topic's title. If only that was the only problem with the WAFL at this point in time.

Given the current score at Basso I expect that DW has already gone home or has resolved not to go to another WAFL game.

And I mean no disrespect to Perth supporters. You have supported your club through some very tough times and deserve some success before the end comes to the WAFL competition.

Stayed at home and cooked a feast for the missus today 42....just couldn’t get myself up for footy today and my gut feel about how it was gonna play out proved true. First time ever on a work free day footy has come 2nd to the misso...the struggle re wafl for me is real in 2018. Hope it’s just a phase.

DW unfortunately I feel the same way. Even in 2016 I didn't have the feeling that there was no hope that the situation was irretrievable. Unless there is a change in direction and focus from Gavin Taylor and the WAFC the WAFL is doomed.

Agreed...standard is also dropping off rapidly in my eyes which is what makes Subi look so good imo

I suspect you may not have been supporting Swans for as long as I have but I am sure that you are well aware of our club's ups and downs so my comments aren't as a result of our poor season this year. To put the WAFL 2018 season into perspective according to Subiaco supporters have a significant injury list yet they are first and unbeaten in the league and first in the reserves and first in the colts.

Since Birth in 73 and consciously since 79

Thanks DW. Take note BC et al is not just me. Sure I might be the most vocal but you are kidding yourself if you think it is only me that is disillusioned with the current WAFL situation.

FYI 42

Am I ....
Disillusioned with the state of the WAFL? - yes
Despise the alignment? - yes
Disappointed in my clubs current position? - yes
Disgusted with the reasons why we are failing? - yes
Do I blame Subiaco for the state of the WAFL? - no - they are an extremely well run organisation both on and off the field hence their long period of success we have all had to endure, the rest of us need to observe and learn from them if we want to dismantle this unprececedented period of dominance they have over the comp
Do I blame the WAFC for the current state of the WAFL? - 100% yes
Do I see a long future for traditional WAFL clubs if it involves alignments 100%? - no
Do I think AFL will be the number one football code in this country 30 years from now? - no
Do I think I will see another SD team win a premiership in the next 20yrs? - highly unlikely if we don’t inject new proactive well connected personnel in to the fold - same old same old ain’t getting us anywhere
Will SD & Subi folk ever get along? - maybe if I put on some free grog but highly unlikely

DW there no debating the fact that Subi are brilliant operators both on and off the field.And have been robbed of a couple of Wafl premierships by a desperate Dockers Club. Trying to win something.
But the Subi stadium arrangement. And good on them for screwing the Wafc and local Afl clubs.Has put the club in such a strong position over there Wafl opponents.If I was a good player based outside WA and wanted to play here.Subi would be my first option.

Some fair points here, but everyone seems to miss one salient point. People talk about how brilliant Subi’s money managers are. But the fact is, they had the key to Alladin’s treasure trove - no one else did. If I had that sort of special treatment, I could be a brilliant money manager. As for the other WAFL clubs, how are they going to become oh so clever at managing their money when they have none? The old story, you can’t make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear. Subi, like our “SuperCoach” down south, were in the right place at the right time. Simple as that!

what the likes of you seem to overlook 58 is that for the last several years since the mining boom went bust, Subi actually lost money or at best broke even from the seats deal. They had to give seats back last year and the year before because they couldn't sell them. WCE and Freo also struggled to sell their allocation so yes, the club made good money for quite some time but in the end it cost them....but hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good dig at my club.

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swan42 wrote: Some smart well connected people on the Subi board along with those on the periphery who are all doing their best to ensure the future financial viability of their club. 2 whom I know personally and can only admire the passion and drive they have to make their club a success. Hard to begrudge them success for the effort and personal investment of time they give along with their ability to make shit happen. They also don’t get held to ransom by people who have their own personal agenda at the club. No passengers on and off the field.

I understand their dominance is helping kill off the comp and in past years there has clearly been some suspect behaviour. I hate getting smashed by them as much as anyone but I refuse to believe that we must just bow and ask for outside assistance to defeat them. Learn from their model and challenge our own clubs to become as effective from top to bottom. If we don’t develop ourselves and accept mediocrity within we will always be fragile fodder against this mob.

Rather than quote all of the comments I have copied DW's latest post as above. DW my question to you is the 2 people you know personally do they acknowledge that there is a negative impact on the WAFL competition as a consequence of their dominance?

Whilst I understand there may be a reluctance on your part to name names within our club, perhaps you can provide specific or general examples of what Swans needs to do to be able to compete with Subiaco and the aligned clubs? I personally think that there should be changes at board level.

What can Swans do in a practical sense to try to mitigate against the financial clout that Subiaco has in being able to match or exceed offers Swans or their clubs might make to attract quality recruits?

Don’t wanna appear rude 42 but out and about atm so will provide a detailed response later this evening

No problems DW whenever it is convenient.

58shark wrote: Some fair points here, but everyone seems to miss one salient point. People talk about how brilliant Subi’s money managers are. But the fact is, they had the key to Alladin’s treasure trove - no one else did. If I had that sort of special treatment, I could be a brilliant money manager. As for the other WAFL clubs, how are they going to become oh so clever at managing their money when they have none? The old story, you can’t make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear. Subi, like our “SuperCoach” down south, were in the right place at the right time. Simple as that!

Exactly 58!! Its like saying that we can all be as rich as Gina or Twiggey!!

I find it incredibly hard to believe that other WAFL clubs do not have similar operations as Subiaco! Did Subiaco find some sort of magic potion that other WAFL clubs didn't during the last 10 years? Did they just get lucky? I mean, how do they do it? How do they attract players that other clubs can't.It surely can't be all brilliant management. Can it?? Maybe its like the secret herbs and spices of KFC or coca cola. something special other clubs don't know about.Jeez I don't know.

AN example I can think of from an EF supporter perspective as far as board/director level is Subiaco's Peter Capes. Now, I remember when he first got employed at EF as CEO. he was a local boy (his words) and looking forward to the challenge etc atc. all the usual talk.

In 2010 he went to Subi, and I believe is still there. What were the reasons? I am in no way insinuating anything, as people change jobs for a multitude of reasons, but same with players leaving, is it the "Subiaco Aura" that attracts them??
I would be totally grasping at straws to wonder why, but at the end of the day its hard to not feel that maybe the reason is because Subiaco's job is more appealing. Perhaps somebody from Subi can enlighten me??

BC wrote: what the likes of you seem to overlook 58 is that for the last several years since the mining boom went bust, Subi actually lost money or at best broke even from the seats deal. They had to give seats back last year and the year before because they couldn't sell them. WCE and Freo also struggled to sell their allocation so yes, the club made good money for quite some time but in the end it cost them....but hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good dig at my club.

And I suppose according to you your bar also "lost money' from the 25 games a year extra that were played at the taxpayer funded Subiaco Oval not too mention the Adele, Guns n Roses, AC/DC, Pearl Jam etc concerts, Monster Jam the list goes on and on????
And that is on top of the 7 figure 'compensation package' (no doubt gift wrapped and handed over by the WAFC) to leave Subiaco Oval but somehow still able to utilise the bar and the seats deal long after 15+ years!!

Subi have made tarding loses over past few years, but its hardly dented the 2 million plus cash capital they have built up since 1987, they maintain a huge prefessional staff at considerable expense compared to all other wafl clubs, this is a considerable contributor to their success, i also know of ways fhey have of rewardarding pkayers fiscally outside of match day payments, I wont go into them but I know what they are.

Bazza...if you're going to make allegations then not substantiate them then don't make them at all. I can also say that I know of under the table things at SF but won't go into detail...does that make it true?