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Spot on Redlegs , the past won't pay the bills as much as we love it we don't need to live in it.

Not that I disagree with all you have posted above Redlegs in fact you make some good points but some traditions like a long established name are what make a club especially one as old as the West Perth Footballl Club.
For example are Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon still based at their original homes of the same areas? And none of those have changed their names ...St Kilda haven't been in based in that area of Melbourne for over 50 years (currently based 50km from St Kilda) and have never seen need to change their name.
At the end of the day it is up to their paid up members to make the call as is their constitutional right not any of us!

If you have money you go ahead and call yourself whatever you like. If your broke you compromise or die. Do the rate payers of Joondalup care what the name is, I very much doubt it.

Beasley Hutton wrote: Not that I disagree with all you have posted above Redlegs in fact you make some good points but some traditions like a long established name are what make a club especially one as old as the West Perth Footballl Club.
For example are Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon still based at their original homes of the same areas? And none of those have changed their names ...St Kilda haven't been in based in that area of Melbourne for over 50 years (currently based 50km from St Kilda) and have never seen need to change their name.
At the end of the day it is up to their paid up members to make the call as is their constitutional right not any of us!

BH Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon may be based but do not play at their original homes. West Perth train and play at Joondalup.It is a difference.

chaddy22 wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Not that I disagree with all you have posted above Redlegs in fact you make some good points but some traditions like a long established name are what make a club especially one as old as the West Perth Footballl Club.
For example are Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon still based at their original homes of the same areas? And none of those have changed their names ...St Kilda haven't been in based in that area of Melbourne for over 50 years (currently based 50km from St Kilda) and have never seen need to change their name.
At the end of the day it is up to their paid up members to make the call as is their constitutional right not any of us!

BH Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon may be based but do not play at their original homes. West Perth train and play at Joondalup.It is a difference.

they also have massive promotional days the focus entirely on the local Joondalup area and the local pommie population together with local business and council, that has nothing at all to do with Leederville or West Perth..the club has completely moved in in everything but name.

Western Bulldogs are still at Western Oval but have dumped the name Footscray to better connect with the district.

Bazza wrote:

chaddy22 wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Not that I disagree with all you have posted above Redlegs in fact you make some good points but some traditions like a long established name are what make a club especially one as old as the West Perth Footballl Club.
For example are Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon still based at their original homes of the same areas? And none of those have changed their names ...St Kilda haven't been in based in that area of Melbourne for over 50 years (currently based 50km from St Kilda) and have never seen need to change their name.
At the end of the day it is up to their paid up members to make the call as is their constitutional right not any of us!

BH Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon may be based but do not play at their original homes. West Perth train and play at Joondalup.It is a difference.

they also have massive promotional days the focus entirely on the local Joondalup area and the local pommie population together with local business and council, that has nothing at all to do with Leederville or West Perth..the club has completely moved in in everything but name.

Western Bulldogs are still at Western Oval but have dumped the name Footscray to better connect with the district.

AFL clubs have millions of dollars of revenue available to them, national TV and print media exposure, solid branding and dedicated marketing departments to drive interest in their teams so to compare Melbourne based AFL clubs moving home grounds (training bases, as they all play out of 2 venues) and them retaining their traditional name to WAFL clubs and their issues is fairly pointless.

Let's look at what interstate AFL teams have done in regards to their names though. Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney (well South Melbourne wasn't retained) Gold Coast, Greater Western Sydney and West Coast have all named themselves after whole City's or identified with large areas within these city's, not named after suburbs. Port Adelaide the only ones to link themselves with a traditional local team and suburb by name and saw them struggle to create support from anyone outside of Port Adelaide. The Western Bulldogs changed from Footscray which allows them to associate which a much broader area.

With a population 20 times larger than 100 years ago why are our WAFL clubs struggling to get members, get people through the gate and as a consequence operate a self-sustaining competition? It isn't about the AFL or a bunch of other excuses offered up here regularly from old guys with old ideas.

In short it's because the WAFL has failed to move forward and adapt to the times. If you're not moving forward you're going backwards and if the WAFL continues as it is then it will be nothing but history.

Would you rather your team be the Fitzroy or Sydney of the WAFL?

RedLegs wrote:

Bazza wrote:

chaddy22 wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Not that I disagree with all you have posted above Redlegs in fact you make some good points but some traditions like a long established name are what make a club especially one as old as the West Perth Footballl Club.
For example are Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon still based at their original homes of the same areas? And none of those have changed their names ...St Kilda haven't been in based in that area of Melbourne for over 50 years (currently based 50km from St Kilda) and have never seen need to change their name.
At the end of the day it is up to their paid up members to make the call as is their constitutional right not any of us!

BH Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon may be based but do not play at their original homes. West Perth train and play at Joondalup.It is a difference.

they also have massive promotional days the focus entirely on the local Joondalup area and the local pommie population together with local business and council, that has nothing at all to do with Leederville or West Perth..the club has completely moved in in everything but name.

Western Bulldogs are still at Western Oval but have dumped the name Footscray to better connect with the district.

AFL clubs have millions of dollars of revenue available to them, national TV and print media exposure, solid branding and dedicated marketing departments to drive interest in their teams so to compare Melbourne based AFL clubs moving home grounds (training bases, as they all play out of 2 venues) and them retaining their traditional name to WAFL clubs and their issues is fairly pointless.

Let's look at what interstate AFL teams have done in regards to their names though. Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney (well South Melbourne wasn't retained) Gold Coast, Greater Western Sydney and West Coast have all named themselves after whole City's or identified with large areas within these city's, not named after suburbs. Port Adelaide the only ones to link themselves with a traditional local team and suburb by name and saw them struggle to create support from anyone outside of Port Adelaide. The Western Bulldogs changed from Footscray which allows them to associate which a much broader area.

With a population 20 times larger than 100 years ago why are our WAFL clubs struggling to get members, get people through the gate and as a consequence operate a self-sustaining competition? It isn't about the AFL or a bunch of other excuses offered up here regularly from old guys with old ideas.

In short it's because the WAFL has failed to move forward and adapt to the times. If you're not moving forward you're going backwards and if the WAFL continues as it is then it will be nothing but history.

Would you rather your team be the Fitzroy or Sydney of the WAFL?

Okay Redlegs perhaps you would like to give us your blueprint on what should be done to the WAFL competition in terms of clubs, locations etc.

RedLegs wrote:

Bazza wrote:

chaddy22 wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Not that I disagree with all you have posted above Redlegs in fact you make some good points but some traditions like a long established name are what make a club especially one as old as the West Perth Footballl Club.
For example are Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon still based at their original homes of the same areas? And none of those have changed their names ...St Kilda haven't been in based in that area of Melbourne for over 50 years (currently based 50km from St Kilda) and have never seen need to change their name.
At the end of the day it is up to their paid up members to make the call as is their constitutional right not any of us!

BH Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon may be based but do not play at their original homes. West Perth train and play at Joondalup.It is a difference.

Redlegs perhaps you can provide your bluwprint for the WAFL with respect to what clubs there should be and where they should be playing? Also, whether there should still be the three grades or not. Thanks in anticipation.

they also have massive promotional days the focus entirely on the local Joondalup area and the local pommie population together with local business and council, that has nothing at all to do with Leederville or West Perth..the club has completely moved in in everything but name.

Western Bulldogs are still at Western Oval but have dumped the name Footscray to better connect with the district.

AFL clubs have millions of dollars of revenue available to them, national TV and print media exposure, solid branding and dedicated marketing departments to drive interest in their teams so to compare Melbourne based AFL clubs moving home grounds (training bases, as they all play out of 2 venues) and them retaining their traditional name to WAFL clubs and their issues is fairly pointless.

Let's look at what interstate AFL teams have done in regards to their names though. Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney (well South Melbourne wasn't retained) Gold Coast, Greater Western Sydney and West Coast have all named themselves after whole City's or identified with large areas within these city's, not named after suburbs. Port Adelaide the only ones to link themselves with a traditional local team and suburb by name and saw them struggle to create support from anyone outside of Port Adelaide. The Western Bulldogs changed from Footscray which allows them to associate which a much broader area.

With a population 20 times larger than 100 years ago why are our WAFL clubs struggling to get members, get people through the gate and as a consequence operate a self-sustaining competition? It isn't about the AFL or a bunch of other excuses offered up here regularly from old guys with old ideas.

In short it's because the WAFL has failed to move forward and adapt to the times. If you're not moving forward you're going backwards and if the WAFL continues as it is then it will be nothing but history.

Would you rather your team be the Fitzroy or Sydney of the WAFL?

they probably should have done it when the members votted for it narrowlly last time. What was the point of having such a vote if they were not prepared to act on it? Perhaps the same thing will happen this time around? For me, it either has to be WP or Joondalup, the northern Falcons is meaningless.

The name itself is up to the members, I dont mind either, but I guess Northern is more broadly based, a bit like Western Bulldogs and better for marketing. But then again Joondalup is OK as well , the fact it has one of the biggest retail outlets in Australia alone is great from a commercial aspect.

As redlegs very rightly pointed out old blokes with same old ideas die on the vine , if your standing still your going backwards and at this rate the WAFL will gone in 20 years if that. The last big wave of Wafl fans are in their late 40s s in 50 yrs now they will be 70s and 80s a decade or two and gone with no new members coming through.