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Bazza wrote:

BC wrote:

Demons Forever wrote: First of all flags do matter !!!!!
That's why the Perth supporters are passionate, they're living in hope !!!!!!!!

What a frigging joke, proves how much money that West Coast are spending and still the assistance to Peel continues.
If only somehow the seven clubs could stand alone, unfortunately that is but a dream.

However, in a bad year for the Club, this makes the $112k profit of of the Perth Football Club even more credible.

Similar turnover to EP by the sound of it yet, the Perth Football Club pays for it's own players and coaching staff.

Unfortunately not as many coaches and they are not getting paid anywhere near as much. Just have a look at our assistants. Most of them probably don't get paid.

Any EP supporter who does not see this as a farce is blind or just bloody stupid.

Friggin bloody joke.

Well done PFC !!!!

No wonder PFC is amongst the most viable Clubs financially.

absolutely spot on DF. i guess that's the difference between someone who is a passionate supporter of a traditional WAFL club who struggles year in year out to balance the books and try to get some success on the field and the supporter of a club who would rather take the easy way out by prostituting themselves to an AFL club. I know which team I'd rather support...gives me the mighty Dees any day over the turn coat filth.

I find it pretty ironic a Subi supporter commenting on daily battles for WAFL clubs to stay financially viable in the present climate. And before you harp on Subiacos financial history of hardship in the 70's and 80's BC, its completley irrellevant to the modern era post AFL that WAFL clubs are now forced to operate in.

I can tell you , winning two flags for SFFC did us no favours at all financially, there was a time when a flag was money in the bank , I can cofirm that it costs us money winning them, we were left with an empty bank account after a good era on the field, player payments extra staff etc sees to that, there is no money in winning flags anymore for WAFL clubs..

We are now up shit creek on the books, personally I would much rather have a strong finacially viable club that can keep the doors open , than winning a flag year in year out, its all very well to have that cup in the cupboard , but if the for sale sign is up the following season , wtf is point?? aaprt from the Bailiff having something to flog at the debtors auction.

If EP survive and become viable then good on them, there are several WAFL clubs that might not get that chance.

well then maybe SFFC should have prostituted itself to the dorks just like the ferals did to the beags...a perfect fit i would have thought and if thats sit well with you, good luck sleeping at night as the whole persona, history and culture of SFFC drifts into oblivion on the back of a purple haze.

I believe all WAFL clubs except the alignment clubs have had their hand outs increased BC. I hope this extra money keeps clubs in the black.

BC wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote:

Demons Forever wrote: First of all flags do matter !!!!!
That's why the Perth supporters are passionate, they're living in hope !!!!!!!!

What a frigging joke, proves how much money that West Coast are spending and still the assistance to Peel continues.
If only somehow the seven clubs could stand alone, unfortunately that is but a dream.

However, in a bad year for the Club, this makes the $112k profit of of the Perth Football Club even more credible.

Similar turnover to EP by the sound of it yet, the Perth Football Club pays for it's own players and coaching staff.

Unfortunately not as many coaches and they are not getting paid anywhere near as much. Just have a look at our assistants. Most of them probably don't get paid.

Any EP supporter who does not see this as a farce is blind or just bloody stupid.

Friggin bloody joke.

Well done PFC !!!!

No wonder PFC is amongst the most viable Clubs financially.

absolutely spot on DF. i guess that's the difference between someone who is a passionate supporter of a traditional WAFL club who struggles year in year out to balance the books and try to get some success on the field and the supporter of a club who would rather take the easy way out by prostituting themselves to an AFL club. I know which team I'd rather support...gives me the mighty Dees any day over the turn coat filth.

I find it pretty ironic a Subi supporter commenting on daily battles for WAFL clubs to stay financially viable in the present climate. And before you harp on Subiacos financial history of hardship in the 70's and 80's BC, its completley irrellevant to the modern era post AFL that WAFL clubs are now forced to operate in.

I can tell you , winning two flags for SFFC did us no favours at all financially, there was a time when a flag was money in the bank , I can cofirm that it costs us money winning them, we were left with an empty bank account after a good era on the field, player payments extra staff etc sees to that, there is no money in winning flags anymore for WAFL clubs..

We are now up shit creek on the books, personally I would much rather have a strong finacially viable club that can keep the doors open , than winning a flag year in year out, its all very well to have that cup in the cupboard , but if the for sale sign is up the following season , wtf is point?? aaprt from the Bailiff having something to flog at the debtors auction.

If EP survive and become viable then good on them, there are several WAFL clubs that might not get that chance.

well then maybe SFFC should have prostituted itself to the dorks just like the ferals did to the beags...a perfect fit i would have thought and if thats sit well with you, good luck sleeping at night as the whole persona, history and culture of SFFC drifts into oblivion on the back of a purple haze.

Its not a problem your mob will ever encounter BC , that is for certain, I have no doubts at all that Subi would very quickly jump into bed with West Coast if it meant survival, given their money hungry attitude, at the end of the day Subi are already a parasite on the AFL machine sucking dough out of beags and dorks games,that clearly sits well with you! take the AFL away from your coffers and you go bust.

Demons Forever wrote: LB that's typical arrogant bullshit!
And an insult to some very talented people in charge of WAFL clubs.
And might I add, West Coast had no input into his appointment as CEO of EP.
Yeah right!!!!
Who pays his salary??
I have no doubt that WCE are pouring enormous amounts of money into the alignment (albeit indirectly) in order to get what they want.
Prostitution????

DF please be sensible EP and the AHG sponsorship pay for most things at the club, Turner is paid by EP through the monies genrated by the club. The savings from thr ERT process are offset by the loss of WAFC grants, as for the coaching i only know that the coaches that are from WCE on Thursdays and Saturdays are obviously paid by them, as for the others I am pretty sure that EP pay for them but I am sticking the neck out there.

I think you are doing a bit of grassy knoll and trying to put everything onto the alignment when you and others don't know.

When the annual report comes out and that has a financial statement, which cannot be a furphy or they risk anctions from more than just the AFL, WA Government and you, the relative costs will be there for all to see.

Once that is out and your ideas are correct then you will be proved correct, if not ......... .

well bazza...i for one thank Western Underwriters (QBE) for Subi's financial viability when they sponsored the club for $100k in 1985 for making finals and another $200k in 1986 for winning the flag. That money was wisely invested by Kevin Merrified and then Brian Lawrence at the time and is without question the foundation for the position the club is in now. Sure current revenues from AFL games keeps the till ticking over but given the club had to pay well in excess of $2m to move to Leederville (which I might add cost the ferals nothing) it's probably a good thing. Every non-aligned club has to generate revenue to keep its head above water and I guess Subi's D-day will come when AFL games are moved to Burswood...but I have a sneaking suspicion we will be ok in the long run.

BC, firstly it was not a criticism of Subi or the fortunate position they find themselves in but of the statement that ALL clubs were offered seats in a proposal that was clearly unworkable!

I understand where you're coming from Custy...a deal that really only could be taken up by 1 club due to their social club's proximity to the ground is clearly not for the benefit of all clubs...bit I'm not sure how else it could have worked. maybe Subi could have leased part of their rooms to the other clubs or let them take part of it on game day on a rotation basis just to share the benefit...don't know...but I agree it is an unfair arrangement for the other clubs on the face of it but in saying that, Subi would have been crazy not to take advantage.

BC wrote: well bazza...i for one thank Western Underwriters (QBE) for Subi's financial viability when they sponsored the club for $100k in 1985 for making finals and another $200k in 1986 for winning the flag. That money was wisely invested by Kevin Merrified and then Brian Lawrence at the time and is without question the foundation for the position the club is in now. Sure current revenues from AFL games keeps the till ticking over but given the club had to pay well in excess of $2m to move to Leederville (which I might add cost the ferals nothing) it's probably a good thing. Every non-aligned club has to generate revenue to keep its head above water and I guess Subi's D-day will come when AFL games are moved to Burswood...but I have a sneaking suspicion we will be ok in the long run.

How did I know that somehow you would harp back to the 80s?

Find me a sponsor that would fork out that sort of dough for a WAFL club winning a flag little own making the WAFL finals? 100K in 1985 would be like 1 Mill in todays money. Which is really my whole point of flags v money.

Oh don't worry , you will be OK for quite a while yet, what was it $2 Mill in the bank at last count?? thanks to the eagles and dockers?? Mind you looking at your website and the enormous staff you employ that no other club could affor it might not go that far for long without some cutbacks.

why wouldn't I harp back to the 80's bazza when clearly that was the time the club started to get itself into financial order..i dont have a finance calculator on me to do a net present value on what that sort of money from the 80's would be worth now...not sure it would be a million but it would be a fair chunk of change. i guess my question to you is what comes first...the money or the flags? subi didn't have any money prior to 85 but won a flag ...Perth Demons have performed really well off the field in recent times but poorly on...so which is it?

BC wrote: why wouldn't I harp back to the 80's bazza when clearly that was the time the club started to get itself into financial order..i dont have a finance calculator on me to do a net present value on what that sort of money from the 80's would be worth now...not sure it would be a million but it would be a fair chunk of change. i guess my question to you is what comes first...the money or the flags? subi didn't have any money prior to 85 but won a flag ...Perth Demons have performed really well off the field in recent times but poorly on...so which is it?

The dough! Subi was on the verge of closing its doors in 1979, how would you have won anything without the bail out the other clubs gave you?

Perth are an enigma , the fact they are still around proves you dont need on the field success to keep on keeping, mind you Im not really sure where Perths finances are at. Given that they and I also believe Subi were one of 5 clubs putting out feelers for the alignment deal its all a bit moot.

The average price of a home in Perth in 1985 was $40,300.00 , so the total of $300,000.00 received by Subiaco in 1986 was big bucks. Buckley chance of getting a deal like that these post AFL days.