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Here ya go grass man, Bill Shorten, a man who fights for the ordinary wage worker, maybe Shorten is a Tory is disguise??



Industrial Relations
Donation and union deal dent Bill Shorten

Bill Shorten leaves the royal commission in Sydney after telling the hearing he took ‘ultimate responsibility’ for the failure to declare a donation. Picture: Adam Taylor

The Australian
12:00AM July 9, 2015
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Elizabeth Colman
Industrial correspondent
Sydney
@elizabethcolman

Bill Shorten has come under ­intense pressure over his dealings with two Victorian companies when he was head of the Australian Workers Union, admitting a failure to declare a $40,000 ­donation to his own political campaign and that low-paid cleaners would have been “vastly better off” without a deal his union nego­tiated for them.

Appearing at the royal commission into trade union corruption yesterday, Mr Shorten made a series of unexpected ­admissions, including confirming that he hired Young Labor member Lance Wilson to work on his 2007 election campaign, but ­invoiced most of the cost of the salary to Melbourne business Unibilt in what amounted to a political ­donation that was subsequently not declared.

Mr Shorten told the commission he took “ultimate responsibility” for the failed declaration, which was corrected only in the past week.

Under rapid questioning by counsel assisting the commission, Jeremy Stoljar, Mr Shorten was also forced to confirm workers would have been ­“vastly better off” without a deal that the AWU neg­otiated with cleaning business Cleanevent in 2006, when Mr Shorten was union secretary, and that the deal was of “no real benefit” to workers.

The admission was elicited by Mr Stoljar when Mr Shorten was asked if he supported the AWU’s application to the Fair Work Commission last month to terminate the Cleanevent deal.

The admission stood in stark contrast to Mr Shorten’s unequivocal claim less than four weeks ago that “I can guarantee, about any of the matters, that we always improved workers’ conditions, full stop”.

Grassy wrote: Yeah,that was bloody weird and I wonder the hell Shorten and Co were thinking in pulling that shit?

So pissed off Union Members will then cast their votes where?

The Libs?Pauline?Really?

Are we that desperate?

As I said before,the Federal ALP had better keep their traps shut
And their noses Out of WA to give this State
The best chance to depose the Barnett Government!

All i try to do Grass man is try and present a balanced view on it all. Decades ago the labor party was a working mans party, now both them and the libs screw the average wage earner, yet some still believe the alp is a working mans party..... spare me!! And my point is Pauline may shake em up a bit, cos libs and labs will just keep doin what they are both doin. WA despite its resources boom is broke, THAT is a disgrace, worse thing it wouldda been the same situation under labor ( despite them saying otherwise). And they "wonder"why people look to alternatives like Hanson... its like DERRR, why wouldnt ya??

the question those looking for an alternative should ask themselves is whether the alternative will make a difference to them.

what does a protest vote achieve if when the elected person gets in to parliament they do stuff all..

MarkOlsen wrote: the question those looking for an alternative should ask themselves is whether the alternative will make a difference to them.

what does a protest vote achieve if when the elected person gets in to parliament they do stuff all..

Well i think Turnbull had to create some concessions to the minor parties and independants get some recent bills passed. And what about the elceted person from libs or labs gets voted in and also does stuff all??

yeh, had to give the greens a 100 mill didnt he cos Hinch kept changing
his mind ?
what a circus..

Bazza wrote: Unka - Swan 42 is full of crap, Its already been pointed out overwhelmingly that Asian immigration now dominates Australia's intake just as Hanson predicted, and she hasnt ever stated that Muslims are over running , simply that their influence needs to be curtailed, for example the burqa legislation under consideration.

As for lies Clinton wins out there hands down and she had about double the money to tell them. All she offered was more of the same old boring do nothing capital and business destroying policies of the establishment.

Watched TRUMP at his thank you rally in Michigan live the other day and have to say he was quite motivating and positive as a speaker, has some good ideas and as you say the impact is already positive , and yes this morning I checked my super and its already hit a high.

I watched him announce the Darwin born Andrew Liveris as chairman of the US Manufacturing Board that will be tasked to get Americans back to work.

Bazza I have already provided a link to the ABS figures.

Here is a link toa report on her second "maiden" speech. If you like I am sure there will be a link to Hansard available.

www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/one-natio...ch-to-senate/7845150

As for Trump he said that he knew more than the US Generals and is so smart he doesn't need intelligence breifings. He is a pathological liar. I would also point out that the CURRENT President of the USA is B Obama NOT D Trump. I would also like to point out that there person rumoured to be his selection for Secretary of State has significant business interests inRussia andopposed the imposition of sanctions after Russia annexed Crimea.

Grassy wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Grassy wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Grassy wrote: Immigration is a Federal Issue!

What does she offer Western Australians in a State Election?

Remember,she is still a Conservative at heart,but to influence our Election,she s going to have to Highlight Weaknesses of a 2 Term State Government on her side of the political fence.

When push comes to shove,do people really think Liberal Voters will rush over to her Party?

Can be a state issue here as well Grassy, not so much here but elsewhere its MASSIVE

Big ears in the socialist republic of Victoria has just had to launch a HUGE tax payer funded LAW and Order Police expansion, due to the huge surge in VIOLENT crime directly related to massive STUFF up in letting huge numbers of SUNDANESE into the state and the associated CRIME GANGS.

Then in NSW that BEARS The brunt of the unnecessarily huge Immigration numbers, is facing collapse of infrastructure that cannot cope, un affordable housing, and more CRIME on the back of LEABONESE Crime Gangs, another huge stuff up by naïve pollies at the time.

Make no mistake what happens at a Federal level in that PORT FOLIO and come at a huge cost to the states.

Hanson will pick up VOTES here from both, the blue collar Labor voters like her because she TALKS their language and are not inspired by SNEAKERS.

Yeah,she speaks our language alright.

She does it so much,she sides with the Tories on Industrial Relations.

Any Blue Collar worker that doesn't know that,or doesn't care about that,seriously needs his or her head Read!

"our"

What would you know, you come from the Western Suburbs and attended one of the most elitist upper crust schools in the country.. Scotch College...working class my arse.

What's demonstrably obvious from your line of thinking is that you are completely out of touch with the white working class vote, and are emblematic of everything wrong with the elites that now run left wing politics in the inner city goats cheese circle.

Anyway Grassy it must be time for your weekly old school tie meeting down the rowing club with the chums...

Mmm,full of your own assumptions aren't we?

You keep getting my old school tie wrong for starters.What's down the other end of Stirling Rd,past the Highway?

One of my History Teachers was a Full Bore Member of the Democrats!

I only go to 5 year reunions and felt Zero need to donate to my old school,if John Howard was tending to his own brand of ELITES with increased funding to Private Schools.

As for Average White Australians,gee I must be out of touch,trying to understand why people would be prepared to trade off hard Won Conditions of their Employment,Siding with the Tories AND Pauline on this particular Issue.

Go figure!

Now go and have a bex and a good lie down,Bazza.

PS - tried the link to Noel Pearson,but I lost my subscript after News Corp sold the Sunday Times to the cleaners!

What was the gist?

Oh yeah sorry it was the far more Elitist and Far more expensive Christ Church Grammar School, in fact the most expensive school in the state - You must of been doing it real hard!,,jez and only going to reunions every 5 years, to hang with the old chums in that Labor Voting String hold, Claremont ...lol give me a break.

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Unka - Swan 42 is full of crap, Its already been pointed out overwhelmingly that Asian immigration now dominates Australia's intake just as Hanson predicted, and she hasnt ever stated that Muslims are over running , simply that their influence needs to be curtailed, for example the burqa legislation under consideration.

As for lies Clinton wins out there hands down and she had about double the money to tell them. All she offered was more of the same old boring do nothing capital and business destroying policies of the establishment.

Watched TRUMP at his thank you rally in Michigan live the other day and have to say he was quite motivating and positive as a speaker, has some good ideas and as you say the impact is already positive , and yes this morning I checked my super and its already hit a high.

I watched him announce the Darwin born Andrew Liveris as chairman of the US Manufacturing Board that will be tasked to get Americans back to work.

Bazza I have already provided a link to the ABS figures.

Here is a link toa report on her second "maiden" speech. If you like I am sure there will be a link to Hansard available.

www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/one-natio...ch-to-senate/7845150

As for Trump he said that he knew more than the US Generals and is so smart he doesn't need intelligence breifings. He is a pathological liar. I would also point out that the CURRENT President of the USA is B Obama NOT D Trump. I would also like to point out that there person rumoured to be his selection for Secretary of State has significant business interests inRussia andopposed the imposition of sanctions after Russia annexed Crimea.

Yeah and I provided even more relevant figures re immigration levels and how Asians make up the vast bulk of the intake now - form DIMA itself.

ABS census figures also prove Hansen correct as the proportion as those descended from Asian nations has increased considerably...

Why are you pointing out Obama ? - the outgoing dead duck his influence is zip.

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Unka - Swan 42 is full of crap, Its already been pointed out overwhelmingly that Asian immigration now dominates Australia's intake just as Hanson predicted, and she hasnt ever stated that Muslims are over running , simply that their influence needs to be curtailed, for example the burqa legislation under consideration.

As for lies Clinton wins out there hands down and she had about double the money to tell them. All she offered was more of the same old boring do nothing capital and business destroying policies of the establishment.

Watched TRUMP at his thank you rally in Michigan live the other day and have to say he was quite motivating and positive as a speaker, has some good ideas and as you say the impact is already positive , and yes this morning I checked my super and its already hit a high.

I watched him announce the Darwin born Andrew Liveris as chairman of the US Manufacturing Board that will be tasked to get Americans back to work.

Bazza I have already provided a link to the ABS figures.

Here is a link toa report on her second "maiden" speech. If you like I am sure there will be a link to Hansard available.

www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/one-natio...ch-to-senate/7845150

As for Trump he said that he knew more than the US Generals and is so smart he doesn't need intelligence breifings. He is a pathological liar. I would also point out that the CURRENT President of the USA is B Obama NOT D Trump. I would also like to point out that there person rumoured to be his selection for Secretary of State has significant business interests inRussia andopposed the imposition of sanctions after Russia annexed Crimea.

Yeah and I provided even more relevant figures re immigration levels and how Asians make up the vast bulk of the intake now - form DIMA itself.

ABS census figures also prove Hansen correct as the proportion as those descended from Asian nations has increased considerably...

Why are you pointing out Obama ? - the outgoing dead duck his influence is zip.

Bazza please provide the ACTUAL percentages in the breakdown of ethnicity.

No worries Lord Fontleroy of Claremont.