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Bazza wrote: Swan your just rehashing the same old moans

BC and I have already stated builders have stuffed up on some projects, are they the first ones over to have problems, remember the Arena, fark me massive costs over runs delays you name it. They will be remedied by the builders.

Ellenbrook, rail link is a like a broken record, give me a rail link to the airport anyday far more people will get use of it - btw a few months ago you swore black and blue that no such rail project would ever happen and no construction would take place, how is that tip going now?

Also with you obsession about growing population and trains, how do you explain the epic collapse in train and passenger patronage in Perth over the last 2 yrs? Perhaps the need is not as dire , going by PTA extrapolations there would of been 14 people travelling from Ellenbrook to the CBD each morning by now.

Based on your verbal gymnastics trying to defend the indefensible you ought to be, if you are not already, on Emperor Barnett's payroll. Those "moans" as you put it are a litany of Emperor Barnett's broken promises and incompetence

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Swan your just rehashing the same old moans

BC and I have already stated builders have stuffed up on some projects, are they the first ones over to have problems, remember the Arena, fark me massive costs over runs delays you name it. They will be remedied by the builders.

Ellenbrook, rail link is a like a broken record, give me a rail link to the airport anyday far more people will get use of it - btw a few months ago you swore black and blue that no such rail project would ever happen and no construction would take place, how is that tip going now?

Also with you obsession about growing population and trains, how do you explain the epic collapse in train and passenger patronage in Perth over the last 2 yrs? Perhaps the need is not as dire , going by PTA extrapolations there would of been 14 people travelling from Ellenbrook to the CBD each morning by now.

Based on your verbal gymnastics trying to defend the indefensible you ought to be, if you are not already, on Emperor Barnett's payroll. Those "moans" as you put it are a litany of Emperor Barnett's broken promises and incompetence

Swan I thought you said the Airport link would never happen and Libs never do railway???

Grassy wrote:

BC wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

BC wrote: yep agree...the place is third world when you look at what's been done and compare it to other cities. for mine it's not enough to just have new hospitals at FSH, Midland, the kids hospital, airport access at Leach Hwy and city gateway at the causeway, new sports stadium, Elizabeth Quay, reinvigoration of Northbridge precinct, new schools and infrastructure...chit...according to some on here this government has been a abject failure because it hasn't built the Ellenbrook light rail and I couldn't agree more !!!!

Yep true , that is largely it, tbh more has been achieved in 8 years than in the previous 20 as far as the city goes, the change has been massive, just look at the umm and ahhing over the stadium that's gone on for 20 or 30 years of dithering , I dont reckon labour would of ever built one and if it had it would of been another half arse effort in subi.. E Q will be a massive benefit to the City long term - the Ellenbrook railway pfft, PTA where quite clear the figures just don't warrant it, and we get something far more useful a link to the airport which everyone in the state can benefit from.

Bazza where does one start?

Good to see you apologising for the incompetence of Emperor Barnett's government.

Let's start at the new stadium. When Langoulant, by no means a stooge of the ALP, did the initial investigation the report indicated that the footings for a stadium at its current location was going to cost an additional $200 million. One could reasonably expect that the cost in today's terms would be north of $300 million.

Now Betty's Jetty:an outstanding success if your aim wasto make kids sick with the water feature.

The new children's hospital I am by no means a monarchist nut why would Emperor Barnett want to trash the worldwide reputation of PMH? Perhaps you can also explain how lead in the water supply,as reported in the press, is an advantage.

Ellenbrook rail link WAS PROMISED TWICE by Emperor Barnett and a rapid bus transit system.How many seats around Ellenbrook do you reckon Emperor Barnett's party will get in the election next March Bazza?

The Perth airport rail link: probably the least required rail link required to cater for Perth's growing population. One can speculate as to why it extends to Forrestfield. Similarly, how close will the stations be to the proposed new terminal at Perth Airport Also, please explain how someone living in Fremantle is going to be able to get to the airport BY TRAIN, for a 6.00 am flight?

How does a government lose its triple A credit ranking during a mining boom?

I could go on and on providing further evidence of the incompetence of the Emperor Barnett's government

The ONLY CHANCE Perth has of getting a decent rail network to cater for the projectedincrease in Perth's population is for us to elect an ALP government next March.

every point you've raised 42 is trivial nonsense. the water park at betty's jetty, lead in the water at the kids hospital, footings for the stadium...big deal...each and every one is fixable. the perth airport link...we're probably the only major city in the world without one ...and if you don't think we're large enough for a rail link then just reflect for a moment there are only 4 cities in the US bigger than Perth based on 2015 data....go figure. so I take it the 42 family won't be availing themselves of any or all of the above out of protest? Christ 42...reading your posts makes a sane person want to commit suicide you're so negative.

Trivial?Big Deal?

That's the sort of Attitude that would land Government's of any persuasion in trouble with it's Electorate.We understand how Governments are keen to launch their Big Budget(and babies)Projects with much fanfare and Self Congratulations.

But to do it,when the darn things aren't ready yet and put Public Health and Safety at Risk,is Unacceptable and the closure of that contaminated Fountain for Several Months was a very quiet admission,the Barnett Government knew it Blundered Big Time on this.

It is Far from Trivial nonsense,as you'd know,if the Boot was on the other foot,the Conservatives here,would be screaming Blue Murder about it,far louder than Church Mouse Mark could ever squeak up.

Where did you get those population figures?Are you talking CBD's or Metropolitan Population figures,because we are dealing with Perth in it's entirity,not the CBD,when it comes to Public Transport.

Plenty of Larger US Cities than us,with bigger Metropolitan Populations,such as New York,Chicago,LA,Dallas,Miami,Detroit,Pittsburgh,etc.That's 7 to start with.

google it and you'll find the stats on Wikipedia grassy. It uses the Greater Capital City Stat Area which is the one favoured by ABS.

In 2015 US had

NY (8.5m)
LA (4.0)
Chicago (2.7)
Houston (2.3)
Phillie (1.5)

Aust had

Sydney (5.0)
Melb (4.5)
Bris (2.3)
Perth (2.0)

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Swan your just rehashing the same old moans

BC and I have already stated builders have stuffed up on some projects, are they the first ones over to have problems, remember the Arena, fark me massive costs over runs delays you name it. They will be remedied by the builders.

Ellenbrook, rail link is a like a broken record, give me a rail link to the airport anyday far more people will get use of it - btw a few months ago you swore black and blue that no such rail project would ever happen and no construction would take place, how is that tip going now?

Also with you obsession about growing population and trains, how do you explain the epic collapse in train and passenger patronage in Perth over the last 2 yrs? Perhaps the need is not as dire , going by PTA extrapolations there would of been 14 people travelling from Ellenbrook to the CBD each morning by now.

Based on your verbal gymnastics trying to defend the indefensible you ought to be, if you are not already, on Emperor Barnett's payroll. Those "moans" as you put it are a litany of Emperor Barnett's broken promises and incompetence

Swan I thought you said the Airport link would never happen and Libs never do railway???

Bazza if you think that either you or Emperor Barnett's government expect kudos from me for reneging on their promises to build the rail link to Ellenbrook you will be waiting a long time. As for the history of the Liberals and rail transport we can go back to tricky Dicky's ridiculous idea of building the Mandurah railway line via Oats Street or tricky Dicky's dad's idea of closing the Fremantle line or Emperor Barnett's current abandoning of the coutry rail network.

As I said before if Emperor Barnett is not paying you he should be for your dexterity in ignoring all their short-comings and broken promises.

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Swan your just rehashing the same old moans

BC and I have already stated builders have stuffed up on some projects, are they the first ones over to have problems, remember the Arena, fark me massive costs over runs delays you name it. They will be remedied by the builders.

Ellenbrook, rail link is a like a broken record, give me a rail link to the airport anyday far more people will get use of it - btw a few months ago you swore black and blue that no such rail project would ever happen and no construction would take place, how is that tip going now?

Also with you obsession about growing population and trains, how do you explain the epic collapse in train and passenger patronage in Perth over the last 2 yrs? Perhaps the need is not as dire , going by PTA extrapolations there would of been 14 people travelling from Ellenbrook to the CBD each morning by now.

Based on your verbal gymnastics trying to defend the indefensible you ought to be, if you are not already, on Emperor Barnett's payroll. Those "moans" as you put it are a litany of Emperor Barnett's broken promises and incompetence

Swan I thought you said the Airport link would never happen and Libs never do railway???

Bazza if you think that either you or Emperor Barnett's government expect kudos from me for reneging on their promises to build the rail link to Ellenbrook you will be waiting a long time. As for the history of the Liberals and rail transport we can go back to tricky Dicky's ridiculous idea of building the Mandurah railway line via Oats Street or tricky Dicky's dad's idea of closing the Fremantle line or Emperor Barnett's current abandoning of the coutry rail network.

As I said before if Emperor Barnett is not paying you he should be for your dexterity in ignoring all their short-comings and broken promises.

Yep once again - you have been proven wrong, the rail link , Belmont and Forrestfield Station ARE being built and much to your chargrin by the Libs.

Unlike you I'm a lot more fair and balanced - your blinded by your unhealthy love of labor , despite their record of corruption in this state, I give them credit for reopening the Freo Line and the Joondalup link , but to say they are the be all and end all of transportation in the state is just one eyed half wittedness.

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Bazza wrote: Swan your just rehashing the same old moans

BC and I have already stated builders have stuffed up on some projects, are they the first ones over to have problems, remember the Arena, fark me massive costs over runs delays you name it. They will be remedied by the builders.

Ellenbrook, rail link is a like a broken record, give me a rail link to the airport anyday far more people will get use of it - btw a few months ago you swore black and blue that no such rail project would ever happen and no construction would take place, how is that tip going now?

Also with you obsession about growing population and trains, how do you explain the epic collapse in train and passenger patronage in Perth over the last 2 yrs? Perhaps the need is not as dire , going by PTA extrapolations there would of been 14 people travelling from Ellenbrook to the CBD each morning by now.

Based on your verbal gymnastics trying to defend the indefensible you ought to be, if you are not already, on Emperor Barnett's payroll. Those "moans" as you put it are a litany of Emperor Barnett's broken promises and incompetence

Swan I thought you said the Airport link would never happen and Libs never do railway???

Bazza if you think that either you or Emperor Barnett's government expect kudos from me for reneging on their promises to build the rail link to Ellenbrook you will be waiting a long time. As for the history of the Liberals and rail transport we can go back to tricky Dicky's ridiculous idea of building the Mandurah railway line via Oats Street or tricky Dicky's dad's idea of closing the Fremantle line or Emperor Barnett's current abandoning of the coutry rail network.

As I said before if Emperor Barnett is not paying you he should be for your dexterity in ignoring all their short-comings and broken promises.

Yep once again - you have been proven wrong, the rail link , Belmont and Forrestfield Station ARE being built and much to your chargrin by the Libs.

Unlike you I'm a lot more fair and balanced - your blinded by your unhealthy love of labor , despite their record of corruption in this state, I give them credit for reopening the Freo Line and the Joondalup link , but to say they are the be all and end all of transportation in the state is just one eyed half wittedness.

Bazza name a rail link that post-Second World War has been built (NOTE BUILT - past tense) by the Liberals in Perth?

Brand - Built the new Standard Gauge Line Perth to Kalgoorlie, launched the new Prospector Service with new rolling stock.
Mclarty - Brand - Launched new Australind Service, Perth to Bunbury.
R Court - Approved Planned , Legislated new Perth Mandurah Line.
Barnett - Extended Joondalup Lines , installed new Stations on Mandurah lines. Building Belmont Airport Forrestfield line.

Also Swan I take it unlike the vast majority of WA people you ONLY use trains, in case you have to read my post I said TRANSPORTATION, since WW II the overwhelming mode of transport for most WA people has been ROAD.
Coalition have built the state in that regard.
Brand - Mitchell - Kwinana Freeways - not to mention others.

And they have done well with Bus Services, introduced the new link buses in 1979, and built the new state of the art underground bus station as part of city link project.

a cynic may think that maybe Barnett is only building the line to the airport as an election vote grabbing tactic ?

I see that $427 mill has been removed from the budget for the Maxrail project which is no off the table for the libs, nice work on all the money they spent on that.

as pointed out in today's West, Barnett will rue the day he didnt listen to the bean counter Tim Marney..

Dickheads - the dumb politicians, town planners and greedy developers that had an opportunity to make Lord st a nice wide dual carriageway plus a rail line but no now it's too fucking late because these DICKHEADS have already crammed it up with new estates either side of Lord St.

It is absolutely beyond belief how dumb these dickheads are.

MarkOlsen wrote: a cynic may think that maybe Barnett is only building the line to the airport as an election vote grabbing tactic ?

I see that $427 mill has been removed from the budget for the Maxrail project which is no off the table for the libs, nice work on all the money they spent on that.

as pointed out in today's West, Barnett will rue the day he didnt listen to the bean counter Tim Marney..

This airport rail link was thought of at a time when there were thousands coming into the state per month and commentators were comparing Perth to metropolises in Asia with hundreds of millions of people.

I'm telling you now this will be the least cost effective rail line in Perth. Perth airports are well located to the city and with long term car parks and various public transport options already available I question the necessity of this expensive rail line.

And you can bet London to a brick these knobs have given little thought to how people are going to get to and from Perth Central train station where pick up and drop off points are next to non existent.