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Thanks for your post Shiny, that's why I started this thread to get thoughts and opinions on people's vibes as to where this heads from here with consideration to the players' current stance. If a player says to ASADA in response to the SCN that I was injected with this and has signed paperwork, some spreadsheet data with some of the injection regime listed ,stat decs and Dank's under oath statement to the Feds to refute ASADA's claims its the only way I see them as having any ground to stand on. If not they have nothing. For this reason I find it very interesting they appear to be sticking fat for the moment. From what I can see the players are basically working with the AFLPA from here and their own lawyers, not Hird's or the EFC's. McDevitt says he is absolutely determined to find out what happened at Essendon in 2012 and is hanging his hat on TB-4 to get a conviction. I just find it hard to believe in this situation right now, that the players would be bluffing either if they know they've done wrong or believe they may have been wronged (ie by Dank). The fact that they are talking through the AFLPA and demanding to see ASADA's evidence by using the AFLPA and not the EFC is even more interesting. How they will answer the SCN's from here is anybody's guess

If its anything like what happened at the Sharks, then id suggest to the players to take the reduced offer. 5 Cronulla players took this, missed the last 4 games of this year and are available for round 1 of next year.

The rest refused to take the deal, citing they would fight it, or they had retired and didn't want to be classes as drug cheats. Guess what happened when they sat down with ASADA? It turned out that ASADA had evidence that yes they were drug cheats, and all these players got 2 year bans. Some it doesn't effect as they have retired but a couple that wanted to move to coaching are now looking for other employment for the next 2 years.

Truth be told boys, If ASADA was bluffing and got caught then they would have the ass sued off them, ASADA is fully government funded, as such they have to be risk averse like all government agencies. That means ASADA can not be bluffing as the government wont allow the people running the place to have the government money sued off them for false accusations.

The longer this continues to drag on the worse for the players. Agree with Shiny Essendon will be open for a law suit down the track, and they don't have a leg to stand on

I have sympathy for the players. But part of the punishment Essendon is going to face is not only the damage to the brand but the exiting of the player group and legal action by them when they are sitting on the sideline for a couple of years as a result of Essendon's actions.

Let's go back to 2012 I’m an 18 year old new recruit at Essendon and the club doctor/trainers/coach/sports physicians whoever tell me to take this stuff, get injections or whatever “it’s all ok and it will give us an advantage”. I am very trusting of these people I perceive as experts, I may not even ask what it is, I may not even ask if it’s legal or could harm me because these people that I trust would not give me something that wasn’t. Besides who am I to take a stand, I’m in no position. If I don’t go along with the team thing I’ll be delisted so I do it. I do find it strange they want me to sign a consent for it and the injections are done at another site when all my other treatments and medications (besides specialist appointments and x rays) are kept “in house”. I want to take this form and show my parents and I want to ask my own doctor about this stuff (not sure where this part goes..)
I probably would have had the courage to ask Dr Bruce Reid is this stuff Josef Mengle Dank is using me for a pin cushion for ok and is he ok with it?

Now I am suddenly Jobe Watson. Surely I go home and ask my dad what is going on, why are they making me sign things and giving me this stuff? Dad did this ever happen to you? What did dad do? (Again I am not sure where this part goes either but it appears he did nothing.)

Peter North wrote: What a joke of a club answer the SCN and you will see the evidence, instead these clowns take it to court to try and get off on a technicality only to get smashed by the judge and not to mention a payed holiday to Paris for that psychopath that was suspended by the AFL Bombers supporters are delusional if they think their players aren't going to cop suspensions.

I am not going to say you don't have a clue, but you don't have a fecking clue.

You do not get the evidence by responding to the SCNs. The first time you "see" the evidence is via the IN's which are issued by the AFL.

Also, please use full stops when you are on your soap box. Readers need to breathe also.

premiership hangover wrote: It turned out that ASADA had evidence that yes they were drug cheats, and all these players got 2 year bans. Some it doesn't effect as they have retired but a couple that wanted to move to coaching are now looking for other employment for the next 2 years.

Can you please send me a link to the said file that these players got their 2 year bans. Think you may have put the cart before the horse here. They still need to go the tribunal.

But hey, it wouldn't be a forum about the "supplement saga" with a semblance of fact it in.

Dirty Weekender wrote: I know many on here have been scathing of Essendon & Hird re the fight against ASADA. Now the players have demanded to see the evidence ASADA has against them via the Players Association I just wondered what the vibe is amongst you all. Personally, I think this is the most interesting moment in the whole investigation as the players, not Hird or the EFC, are actually standing up for themselves and their rights. Interesting few days ahead.

Agree. Time for all parties - especially ASADA - to put up whatever they have got. Happy for the free hit to knock out the process to have occurred, Judge didn't agree, so now need to forget about appealing this and spend all efforts in the process to clear the players - who seem to think they did nothing wrong. Would support this process to the end.

Just remember - 26 vials (of Thymosin-something) that were credited in any case into 34 players just doesn't go.

My very humble opinion is as follows. Players have a right to see the evidence ranged against them by ASADA. This right goes back to to the Magna Carta in 1215. No players should be banned because of command and control structure of football clubs. Responsibility lies with the leaders of the club on the field and off

More broadlly the Essendon board should be removed together with the former coach. The new board should admit fully the club's guilt and set policies in place to save the club. In particular a financial fund should be set aside to pay players should there be problems in the future. Otherwise, I agree with a few other people on here, Essendon may not exist for long.

Dirty Weekender wrote: Ok Peter, if you were a player right now, how would you answer the SCN? How would you say "no I didn't take TB-4"? If you believed you hadn't taken it, how would you then prove it.

Laughable
Perhaps the poor players should ask Cheats FC this question..
Where is the paperwork showing what we were given?
That won't happen, as this immoral chronic lying joke of a club, has destroyed all record of drugs administered.

McLovin wrote:

Peter North wrote: What a joke of a club answer the SCN and you will see the evidence, instead these clowns take it to court to try and get off on a technicality only to get smashed by the judge and not to mention a payed holiday to Paris for that psychopath that was suspended by the AFL Bombers supporters are delusional if they think their players aren't going to cop suspensions.

I am not going to say you don't have a clue, but you don't have a fecking clue.

You do not get the evidence by responding to the SCNs. The first time you "see" the evidence is via the IN's which are issued by the AFL.

Also, please use full stops when you are on your soap box. Readers need to breathe also.

Cheats never prosper Mcturd.

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