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New Recruiting Rules, Apparently 5 years 2 months ago #176144

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9 imports Subi
4 to Swans
nice try..

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New Recruiting Rules, Apparently 5 years 2 months ago #176146

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MarkOlsen wrote: 9 imports Subi
4 to Swans
nice try..

I dare say SS has included the WCE or Fremantle allotted players that every club had back then but even with their inclusion it is Subi 9 imports to SD 7 haha!

www.waflfootyfacts.net/season/games/stats.php?GameID=8811

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The Board of the Subiaco Football Club owes you some background and would like to provide you with our submission to the WAFC in regards to the competitive balance and equalisation process.

Firstly, to penalise the premiership winning team for being “dominant” in a competition where only six years ago we finished 8th! And we have met all the rules that includes points limits and salary caps and we spend a similar amount in our football department as most of our opposition is simply a very poor reflection on the WAFL and its other teams.

We are told the industry stakeholders demanded something be done and that included nearly all the other WAFL Clubs. Extremely disappointing!

In initial discussions with the WAFC about equalising and penalising SFC, we suggested they look at the rest of the competition and had they requested reasons why South Fremantle, Claremont and West Perth (these finals teams in particular) did not use their available points to be more competitive? They could each have recruited at least 3 x 10 point players each and that would have made a difference and that each need to be accountable for those decisions.

Was it to do with TPP salary cap pressure concerns about overspending stopping them recruiting or alternatively pressure from their Clubs to spend less and save money in this area or simply an inability to attract recruits? Or some other reason? We think this is still an important unanswered issue.

SFC Response to the WAFC WAFL Competitive Balance Draft Recommendations for 2020.

The SFC Football Operations group have the following club feedback but emphasize that any penalty on the premier club is strongly opposed.

Proposal to Reduce Clubs to a base of 100 points

Takes higher value players out of the WAFL competition and will weaken the WAFL.
Will make AFL /aligned clubs stronger in comparison.
Competing clubs that agree to a SFC penalty must be held to account about their points use and salary cap spend – maybe that’s the problem!
More emphasis on “Local district players”

Zones are clearly very unequal and a focus on that cannot be introduced before that is sorted out and bedded in.
Non-district players are still WA footballers and that needs to be recognised. Players move for all sorts of reasons – opportunity, recognition, not valued, looking for a new start etc .
Having a list of nearly all WA produced players should be positively recognised as should the voluntary ongoing points reductions and interstate recruitment by clubs.
WAFL Clubs do not control the talent pathway and have little say in its effectiveness or focus on future WAFL players and will strongly impact the quality of “local district players”.
WAFL Clubs can only negotiate their district priorities with the WAFC – a strong focus on youth football has not always been shared!
Penalty on SFC for Winning 2019 Grand Final

Pathetic for a competition to be even discussing – reflection on all involved
100 points will just cover the current list of players at the end of 2019
We expect 10 to 15 players to leave the senior program before 2020 and must be replaced. The ability to recruit 1 point players to at least fill these gaps is essential to fill the list and field a reserves team. This is not about the quality of the list.
Like for Like – this is very important if a Ben Sokol or other quality regular league player does not play next year.
We clearly think that if the competition minimum points total is 100, we should be able to fill that number of points as necessary.
Our current list strategy is to develop our players and only fill when players exit the club and a need is obvious - see comments about List Maintenance below.
What clubs support a penalty on Subiaco – we would request an understanding of which of our peers supported that – open and accountable.
NO RECRUITING and FUTURE IMPACT

If this is even considered it will severely impact our club for years to come. Think what happens to clubs who do not or cannot at least maintain somewhere near the quality of their list WHEN everyone else is improving theirs.
Finalists South Fremantle, Claremont, West Perth have all got points to recruit quality players even if the base 100 points is introduced. Their lists will improve, and so they should be aiming to do that.
If SFC cannot at least recruit 1 point players and like for like then a list disaster is in the making.
Our local zone very clearly has the lowest number of players of all clubs and this was very clearly emphasised in the 2019 Boundary Review.
LIST MAINTENANCE

SFC’s recruitment of league quality non– district players in the last 2 years particularly has been minimal (5 players) compared to key losses of regular league players (15) – in fact we know recruitment has been in decline as we chose to develop our own players – a club directive and key reason for the appointment of Beau Wardman.
Season 2019: IN (1): Harry Marsh OUT (9): Zac Clarke, Chris Phelan, Josh Deluca, Jack Mayo, Adam Cockie, Brad Stevenson, Ethan Burnett, Daniel Perkins, Chris Bryan (all league players)
Season 2018- IN (4): Ben Newton, Zac Clarke, Drew Rhode, Kaiden Fullgrabe OUT (6): Wayde Twomey, Liam Ryan, Corey Adamson, Scott Hancock, Declan Jackson, Liam Baker,
Based on this – other clubs can hardly complain about SFC recruitment!!
COMPETITION INTEGRITY

The very unfortunate quote from your CEO followed by a poor effort by the WAFC hierarchy to defend the integrity of the competition that encouraged and fostered ill-informed comment to continue and further damage the WAFL.
The immediate focus on dragging SFC down has been damaging!
Defending the integrity of the WAFL and ensuring the industry/stakeholders understands the measures that the ruling body has in place to ensure all that is vital to a highly valued competition. Too many WAFC and stakeholders have ill-informed views and that has been allowed to continue in the media / social media.
The negative damaging comments played out in the media/ social media do little to promote the WAFL – in fact the opposite.
Regards

Peter Capes

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New Recruiting Rules, Apparently 5 years 2 months ago #176185

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I couldn't believe that this is what Capes, presumably with the backing of the Subi board has put out. Since the GF Subi have come out and called other club's players unfit and uncommitted. They have called other club's boards and staff incompetent. They have suggested that their success is due to "culture" and other team's failures to "list management failures." Unbelievably arrogant and tone deaf.

To point out that Sub missed the finals in 2012 is fatuous. 2012 came on the back of having not missed finals since 1997. For many teams - P, EF, SD most notably - spending many years out of finals is something fans have come to expect. Subi spent two years out, then proceeded to play in 6 consecutive GFs. This is a period of dominance unmatched in the history of the WAFL. That it has occurred in an era of purported equalisation is extraordinary.

Capes is right insofar as no WAFL fan or media member believes for a second that Subi's financial resources are 95% of the reason for this dominance. To criticise C, SF and WP for not filling their points cap is insulting. Has he considered that they may not have had the money to do so? Three 10-12 players don't come cheap, if they are available at all. Only Subi can carry so many high-point players.

While I don't agree with the measures announced by the WAFL that apply solely to Subi, I don't think the approach of denigrating and belittling other clubs is the best approach. Success should be accompanied by humility. Capes is living in a bubble, a world where the money flows freely and has forgotten what it takes to run a WAFL club on a shoestring, where keeping the doors open is more important than getting three 10 point players.
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New Recruiting Rules, Apparently 5 years 2 months ago #176189

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Stand the Test wrote: Again Ted says what I mean but can’t express.
If there is anyone at subi who is actually a professional then they need to make sure that this extended dummy spit is taken down immediately.
Not professional.
It’s like t’s from a guy who thinks it’s not racist to call someone an Asian c. Oops hang on...


You are obviously on the sauce, and it shows out clearly both here and on the WAFL rules changes thread.

PUI.

It ain't a good look. ;)

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New Recruiting Rules, Apparently 5 years 2 months ago #176190

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ArkRoyal wrote: gtr: one obvious moves in this regard would be to give the goldfields to the PFC or SD
they should also abolish Peel's country zone and return it to SD, EP and CL

If they do both of the above, the following would happen

Perth -- Goldfields
Subi -- York
SD, EP and CL would get their part of the south-west back
Esperence should also be returned to SD.

That's the far better option ARK.The WAFC could be breaching the Trade Practices ACT.
If a player chooses to play for Subi for less money than other clubs.Because they believe that's the best gateway to the AFL.They should be allowed too.Within the current points structure.
Taking away the country zones will strengthen the other sides.Hope Freo suck up Peel and share that zone around.

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New Recruiting Rules, Apparently 5 years 2 months ago #176192

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Here's the link which makes much easier reading than Singha's cut and paste.

www.subiacofc.com.au/news/18189/message-from-the-ceo

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I think that one of the main points here is why are the WAFC penalising Subiaco for having a successful program and not assisting the rest of the competition to improve. Why reduce the points for a club like Perth when they need some selective recruiting to help their on field performances? By doing what they are doing it will mean that there will less scope for quality recruits to be added to the competition and thus the standards will drop.
Its all well saying just develop players locally but we all know that the zones are far from equal and there is no easy fix there. Perhaps a draft of the top 50 young players like the afl do could be considered? Bottom clubs get first picks so therefore some equalisation should occur over a period of time. Or some trading period between the clubs for those players stagnating or lacking opportunity. Remember a player like Ben Sokol was playing reserves at Souths because of lack of opportunity ironically because of the presence of Ben Saunders who came to Souths from Claremont for the same reason.

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New Recruiting Rules, Apparently 5 years 2 months ago #176202

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Jjim the Colts (which is all local zone only) is a far more even and enjoyable football comp than the WAFL League has been for years.
But yes I take the point that Claremont would probably have the strongest area by far.
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BC wrote: Here's the link which makes much easier reading than Singha's cut and paste.

www.subiacofc.com.au/news/18189/message-from-the-ceo

About as much sympathy as Capes shows the rest of the competition.

Get on your bike.
It was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
POTUS #45 & #47
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