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MarkOlsen wrote: you can change zones, implement a salary cap and points system and if the end result the same team is still the most successful on a regular basis then its up the people in charge of the competition to ask the obvious question - is every team able to compete on and off the field on an even basis ?
if not provide funding to the clubs apart from Subi to even things up, then we can see if there is more player movement based on money being offered under the table..

mo it is patently obvious that the WAFC are actively seeking to destroy the WAFL. Every decision they make speaks directly to that goal.

What I don't understand is why Subiaco would also actively seek to destroy the WAFL. Where is Subiaco going to go when the WAFL folds?

MarkOlsen wrote: or in East Freo's case - some do it worse than others.

Very true MO....but then again every club have their recruiting failures...Clancee, Newman, Yarran, Garlett and Eades come to mind .....somethings are out of a clubs control.....but I guess it's best to try and recruit than not recruit at all.......

What I don't understand 42 is how you tarnish Subi with cherry picking title yet offer no names.....

Freezin wrote:

MarkOlsen wrote: or in East Freo's case - some do it worse than others.

Very true MO....but then again every club have their recruiting failures...Clancee, Newman, Yarran, Garlett and Eades come to mind .....somethings are out of a clubs control.....but I guess it's best to try and recruit than not recruit at all.......

What I don't understand 42 is how you tarnish Subi with cherry picking title yet offer no names.....

Given the WAFL is near its end freezin might need to brush up on this: www.mitre10cup.co.nz/Fixtures/Standings

not just cherry pick freez….cherry pick the CREAM from WAFL clubs....so I'm not expecting our good friend 42 to throw up any old names but absolute WAFL superstars from each club...maybe a Jhye Bolton, Jono Marsh, Schloithe or even the bogan's own Corey Gault must be about to move across to Leederville prior to the 30 June deadline....I can hardly wait.

BC wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Not sure if waflfootyfacts has the exact stats at hand but read somewhere the winning % of each WAFL club over the last 5 seasons (since the start of 2014) and it makes for disturbing reading.
Subiaco were in the mid 80s winning %, SF, WP, EP & Peel in the 50% Range, CL, SD & EF were in the 40% Range & Perth about the 30% mark.
That is also including 2 GFs Subiaco lost to Peel so their record in home and away games would probably be even higher.
How is that good for a close, exciting, vibrant WAFL competition?
And also why on earth have Subiaco even needed to top up an already strong list whilst also weakening their direct opposition...didn’t they even win the Ressies flag last year?

This is why.....

Out: Liam Ryan (West Coast), Brayden Ainsworth (West Coast), Kyron Hayden (North Melbourne), Ben Miller (Richmond), Liam Baker (Richmond), Fraser Foley (West Perth), James Garcia (Travelling), Matthew Bogensperger (Work), David Madut (Victoria), Wayde Twomey (Retired), Adam Creeper (Kingsway), Liam Catalfamo, James Eccles (North Beach), Daniel Ryan (North Beach), Sean Foley (North Beach), Chad Barns (Kingsway), Declan Jackson (Work), Chris Bryan (North Beach), Dylan Clarke, Jordan Bestry (Kingsway), Joshua Chapman (North Beach), Thomas Hooper (North Beach), Joshua Underwood (North Beach)

Interesting list there BC!
Those I highlighted were either poached from other WAFL clubs or their zones- Twomey, Baker, Jackson and or played on Saturday for Subiaco or are listed in the Football Budget for Subi....so not sure how reliable anything you post is...do you even watch your own supposed team play?
Also how many of those listed above are still appearing on Subi's listed players on the WAFL site it would appear most of them still are so are effectively still Subiaco players?

Quite obviously it's from the In's and Out's posted in the WAFL thread earlier this year. Of those you mentioned only two ressies players in Eccles and Underwood must have had a change of mind and played on the weekend. Throw in Corey Adamson retiring and long term injuries to Joel Latham and Michael Braut it's a good thing we have recruited. I'm not sure I'd put too much faith in the WAFL list as it's still showing Shane Yarran as a Subi player...so if that's all you're hanging your hat on then you're in deep shit.

BC wrote: Quite obviously it's from the In's and Out's posted in the WAFL thread earlier this year. Of those you mentioned only two ressies players in Eccles and Underwood must have had a change of mind and played on the weekend. Throw in Corey Adamson retiring and long term injuries to Joel Latham and Michael Braut it's a good thing we have recruited. I'm not sure I'd put too much faith in the WAFL list as it's still showing Shane Yarran as a Subi player...so if that's all you're hanging your hat on then you're in deep shit.

Perhaps the WAFC and G Taylor should invite Subiaco to have a second team in the league; that way Subiaco can play Subiaco in the 2019 WAFL GF.

S42: that is very funny indeed.

What is the compensation, if any, for losing a reserves player. For me, it has to be a 'protected player' or 'players' of similar ilk to prvent the loss od depth by other clubs.

ArkRoyal wrote: S42: that is very funny indeed.

What is the compensation, if any, for losing a reserves player. For me, it has to be a 'protected player' or 'players' of similar ilk to prvent the loss od depth by other clubs.

AR my comments would be the same if it was Swans that were dominating the WAFL for such an extended period as Subiaco due to the same advantages. Anyone who attends WAFL matches would realise how tenuous the future of the WAFL is at this current point int time. And the future of the WAFL is not improved by the continuing dominance of Subiaco. The reality is that if it wasn't for the fact that in the two preceding WAFL GFs Subiaco had to play against virtually an AFL team (despite what Rookie Draft thinks) Subiaco would be heading for their 5th successive premiership.

Why would supporters continue to follow the WAFL if they know year in, year out that Subiaco will barely lose a game en route to another GF appearance and most likely premiership?

Each clubs' supporters need hope at the start of a season and there is very little reason to believe that the majority of the WAFL clubs have any hope of playing and winning the WAFL GF this year and it will be the same next year.

That could change if the WAFC were interested but patently and demonstrably they don't care and equally patently and demonstrably Subiaco don't care either.

Swan42: I do understand, don't worry. The only reason Peel has not won three premierships, is that, as you pointted out at the time with aplomb, they played a weakened side against WP. The mighty Falcons then went on and, heroically defeatted EP in an upset; after, massive recruitting, the following year we managged to do the same on a wet day.

I mention this because it highlight the real problem of the league, which is that the Subiaco problem is linked to the alignment issue. We need to get rid of alignment to work on the question of Subi's dominace. Here is how I would get rid of the alignment, as suggested on a number of occassion by one of the PFC supporters and others -- I thank them all for being clever:

merge Peel and Fremantle
give the Eagles a side
create two ladders, one the WAFL the other the WA Cup
the wafl has 8 teams
the wa cup 10 teams
four points for a win should be allocated for the WAFL clubs in both competitions
four points for win for all ten clubs in the WA cup
only a WAFL side could win 'the double'
during the WAFL finals the AFL sides woul play each other

Now turnning more directly to the Subi problem. The Wafl should be played on the following basis:

70 per cent zone each week
no recruitting for the top two clubs on the ladder

There is one other point i Ould like to see the WA Commission work on and that is lifting the draft age in the AFL by at least one year, but preferrably two.