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Swedgen wrote:

Mr AFL wrote: There are a few players training with us but there hasn't been any confirmation yet as to whether they have signed. I guess we will have to wait until the new year.

Still hoping for one, possibly two big name signings

There will be zero big name signings
You can take that to the bank
Read my earlier posts

I said HOPEFULLY Swedgen. I know that it looks highly unlikely but you never know do you. Sometimes circumstances change.

There is an automatic assumption by some on here that when a player (like Ugle) leaves Perth it must be because we are the worst football club that ever was. Unfortunately, for these types, it's just not the case. Of course, it's much easier to sit behind a computer and shoot off bullets marked "Perth is hopeless," "McMahon is a dud," the Board is useless and actively working to undermine onfield performance", etc. But then the awkward facts emerge - the player leaves because he's offered a house and a car and a job, Claremont hires McMahon, and the club makes a profit almost better than last year's premiers. So not everything is rotten in the state of Denmark after all.

This is not to say that things can't be improved and that coaches shouldn't be sacked and that the board shouldn't be watched closely to make sure it's doing the right thing etc. It's just to say that we are not beyond redemption as is often implied. And, if I got it wrong, and Ugle is leaving because he doesn't like the new training regime that's a pretty big judgement on the guy's character.

Anyway...I think that - overall - we will be slightly ahead re: losses and gains, though that's dependent on a few things turning out our way. First, if Wolfenden can recapture his premiership form then he's a straight replacement for Bevan. I might say if he does then he could potentially have a bigger impact than Bevan. The good thing about Woolfenden is that he turned up asking for a game which suggests he wants to play and he wants to play for us. He's also a good deal younger than Bevan. Second, Latch is probably as good a replacement as we could get for Risol. He's got a fair bit to go to prove he's better than Risol, but he's young, and he's entering his second season as a regular WAFL player. Third, and this is a punt, we have to hope that either Gartlett or Austin or one of the players (other than the ex-AFL guy) we get from Peel, can match Ugle's influence. This is a big IF since Ugle was in our top six players from last year. On the upside, though, is that we should get more from Hodge this year. A fit Hodge, I think, will more than make up for the loss of Ugle. Fourth, if it comes off that we get the ex-AFLer from Peel then I think he more than compensate for the loss of Moody. Fifth, there is still the hope - genuine though nothing is proven until they run out in the red and black - that we might get one more quality recruit. I know little about this, other than that we are talking to someone. Who he is I don't know, but he's supposed to be someone that would fit straight into our best 18. Last, I don't really count Busher and Houghton as loses. Mostly because these guys only showed promise and not much else, no matter injury problems etc. Cale Morton didn't do much for us, so he might not be considered a loss either, except on the profit/loss ledger.

Final thing: as I understand it, when you negotiate a transfer of players like in the Ugle case, then one or two things happen. Peel tell us which players they want to give away, we tell them who we want as a replacement (like Ugle finished sixth in our best and fairest so we need something similar etc), and then we have to talk to the player/players to see if they want to play for us. It's not a matter of moving chess pieces on a chess board. So we will wait and see.

personal demon wrote: There is an automatic assumption by some on here that when a player (like Ugle) leaves Perth it must be because we are the worst football club that ever was. Unfortunately, for these types, it's just not the case. Of course, it's much easier to sit behind a computer and shoot off bullets marked "Perth is hopeless," "McMahon is a dud," the Board is useless and actively working to undermine onfield performance", etc. But then the awkward facts emerge - the player leaves because he's offered a house and a car and a job, Claremont hires McMahon, and the club makes a profit almost better than last year's premiers. So not everything is rotten in the state of Denmark after all.

This is not to say that things can't be improved and that coaches shouldn't be sacked and that the board shouldn't be watched closely to make sure it's doing the right thing etc. It's just to say that we are not beyond redemption as is often implied. And, if I got it wrong, and Ugle is leaving because he doesn't like the new training regime that's a pretty big judgement on the guy's character.

Anyway...I think that - overall - we will be slightly ahead re: losses and gains, though that's dependent on a few things turning out our way. First, if Wolfenden can recapture his premiership form then he's a straight replacement for Bevan. I might say if he does then he could potentially have a bigger impact than Bevan. The good thing about Woolfenden is that he turned up asking for a game which suggests he wants to play and he wants to play for us. He's also a good deal younger than Bevan. Second, Latch is probably as good a replacement as we could get for Risol. He's got a fair bit to go to prove he's better than Risol, but he's young, and he's entering his second season as a regular WAFL player. Third, and this is a punt, we have to hope that either Gartlett or Austin or one of the players (other than the ex-AFL guy) we get from Peel, can match Ugle's influence. This is a big IF since Ugle was in our top six players from last year. On the upside, though, is that we should get more from Hodge this year. A fit Hodge, I think, will more than make up for the loss of Ugle. Fourth, if it comes off that we get the ex-AFLer from Peel then I think he more than compensate for the loss of Moody. Fifth, there is still the hope - genuine though nothing is proven until they run out in the red and black - that we might get one more quality recruit. I know little about this, other than that we are talking to someone. Who he is I don't know, but he's supposed to be someone that would fit straight into our best 18. Last, I don't really count Busher and Houghton as loses. Mostly because these guys only showed promise and not much else, no matter injury problems etc. Cale Morton didn't do much for us, so he might not be considered a loss either, except on the profit/loss ledger.

Final thing: as I understand it, when you negotiate a transfer of players like in the Ugle case, then one or two things happen. Peel tell us which players they want to give away, we tell them who we want as a replacement (like Ugle finished sixth in our best and fairest so we need something similar etc), and then we have to talk to the player/players to see if they want to play for us. It's not a matter of moving chess pieces on a chess board. So we will wait and see.

I stopped reading this load of crap when you said wolffendon was a straight swap for Bevan.

30plusyeardrought wrote: Smokey,
The club has run out of time and excuses for this supporter

So why are you still here?

2011 League 17 136 85 221 50 11 8 89 0 15 23

2014 League 17 188 86 274 90 23 26 35 0 12 15

Stats for Wolfenden vs. Bevan. As I said, if Wolfenden reaches his 2011 form he will be a straight replacement for Bevan. Although Wolfenden made 3 times as many tackles; and Bevan kicked twice as many goals.

Both are pretty good at off the ball hits on unsuspecting opponents so a straight swap there

personal demon wrote:

30plusyeardrought wrote: Smokey,
The club has run out of time and excuses for this supporter

So why are you still here?

Im sorry i missed the bit where i said i was going to stop posting,Clown!

Your stock standard comments are typical of the crap the average Perth supporter has to put up with.

for example
You couldnt seriously mentiom Wolfenden in the same sentence as Bevan re- football talent,a straight swap,are you on drugs?.

You shit can the players that leave and say their not worth it anyway and talk up the average players we recruit.

Your long winded post earlier is full of "IF's" only.

Hang on... So you no longer support the club, but you still post on a supporters website. Who's the clown???

PD your post illustrates why we need change in the boardroom.

Peter North wrote:

personal demon wrote: There is an automatic assumption by some on here that when a player (like Ugle) leaves Perth it must be because we are the worst football club that ever was. Unfortunately, for these types, it's just not the case. Of course, it's much easier to sit behind a computer and shoot off bullets marked "Perth is hopeless," "McMahon is a dud," the Board is useless and actively working to undermine onfield performance", etc. But then the awkward facts emerge - the player leaves because he's offered a house and a car and a job, Claremont hires McMahon, and the club makes a profit almost better than last year's premiers. So not everything is rotten in the state of Denmark after all.

This is not to say that things can't be improved and that coaches shouldn't be sacked and that the board shouldn't be watched closely to make sure it's doing the right thing etc. It's just to say that we are not beyond redemption as is often implied. And, if I got it wrong, and Ugle is leaving because he doesn't like the new training regime that's a pretty big judgement on the guy's character.

Anyway...I think that - overall - we will be slightly ahead re: losses and gains, though that's dependent on a few things turning out our way. First, if Wolfenden can recapture his premiership form then he's a straight replacement for Bevan. I might say if he does then he could potentially have a bigger impact than Bevan. The good thing about Woolfenden is that he turned up asking for a game which suggests he wants to play and he wants to play for us. He's also a good deal younger than Bevan. Second, Latch is probably as good a replacement as we could get for Risol. He's got a fair bit to go to prove he's better than Risol, but he's young, and he's entering his second season as a regular WAFL player. Third, and this is a punt, we have to hope that either Gartlett or Austin or one of the players (other than the ex-AFL guy) we get from Peel, can match Ugle's influence. This is a big IF since Ugle was in our top six players from last year. On the upside, though, is that we should get more from Hodge this year. A fit Hodge, I think, will more than make up for the loss of Ugle. Fourth, if it comes off that we get the ex-AFLer from Peel then I think he more than compensate for the loss of Moody. Fifth, there is still the hope - genuine though nothing is proven until they run out in the red and black - that we might get one more quality recruit. I know little about this, other than that we are talking to someone. Who he is I don't know, but he's supposed to be someone that would fit straight into our best 18. Last, I don't really count Busher and Houghton as loses. Mostly because these guys only showed promise and not much else, no matter injury problems etc. Cale Morton didn't do much for us, so he might not be considered a loss either, except on the profit/loss ledger.

Final thing: as I understand it, when you negotiate a transfer of players like in the Ugle case, then one or two things happen. Peel tell us which players they want to give away, we tell them who we want as a replacement (like Ugle finished sixth in our best and fairest so we need something similar etc), and then we have to talk to the player/players to see if they want to play for us. It's not a matter of moving chess pieces on a chess board. So we will wait and see.

I stopped reading this load of crap when you said wolffendon was a straight swap for Bevan.

another thought out post from pn. I see you had to edit it as well Pete. Fair dinkum a guy puts up a large thought out post and you as usual criticise it with a one liner.