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The wind definitely wasn't a factor! The umpiring was sub standard and at one point through the 3rd qtr 19-8 but they had no impact on the turn around. For me it was simple,momentumn. Waz Wilson hit a target at defensive 50,not sure who it was,and instead of giving it back to Waz the player attempted to go sideways,didn't give it enough air and kicked it straight to the WP player and a goal was the result. It gave WP massive belief which intern led to them gaining massive momentum.
There was one chance to stop that momentum when Rudy took a mark at fwd 50 with a player free over the top but it was ruled out on the full. I had a perfect line on it and I thought it was in. The umpire was 50m behind the play and guessed imo. That being said,we shouldn't have been in that position as it was.

Winger wrote: Simple Cardy, the last ten minutes of the game we won the clearances and had loose men in the forward line. Even Bill said after the game they were just to pack up the computers and ready to leave to go downstairs with seven minutes to go. Lowry played on the best full back in the league and was clearly beaten. Strijk was not right, he didn't hit his targets and always chose the short option, he hobbled off the ground. The little blokes kicked in and the rest is history.

interesting you say WP had loose men in the forward line. did Harding choke? when a side gets a run on then surely you need to go man on man at the stoppages and drop one or two spares into your back half. did Harding do anything like that to stop WP's momentum?

Mad Dog wrote: The wind definitely wasn't a factor! The umpiring was sub standard and at one point through the 3rd qtr 19-8 but they had no impact on the turn around. For me it was simple,momentumn. Waz Wilson hit a target at defensive 50,not sure who it was,and instead of giving it back to Waz the player attempted to go sideways,didn't give it enough air and kicked it straight to the WP player and a goal was the result. It gave WP massive belief which intern led to them gaining massive momentum.
There was one chance to stop that momentum when Rudy took a mark at fwd 50 with a player free over the top but it was ruled out on the full. I had a perfect line on it and I thought it was in. The umpire was 50m behind the play and guessed imo. That being said,we shouldn't have been in that position as it was.

MD, no chance in hell that was in, Swandog and I were in close proximity and it was over by 1.5 metres, wasn't even close, the goal maggot was 10m away and indicated to the boundary maggot that it was out.

Leedy wrote:

Mad Dog wrote: The wind definitely wasn't a factor! The umpiring was sub standard and at one point through the 3rd qtr 19-8 but they had no impact on the turn around. For me it was simple,momentumn. Waz Wilson hit a target at defensive 50,not sure who it was,and instead of giving it back to Waz the player attempted to go sideways,didn't give it enough air and kicked it straight to the WP player and a goal was the result. It gave WP massive belief which intern led to them gaining massive momentum.
There was one chance to stop that momentum when Rudy took a mark at fwd 50 with a player free over the top but it was ruled out on the full. I had a perfect line on it and I thought it was in. The umpire was 50m behind the play and guessed imo. That being said,we shouldn't have been in that position as it was.

MD, no chance in hell that was in, Swandog and I were in close proximity and it was over by 1.5 metres, wasn't even close, the goal maggot was 10m away and indicated to the boundary maggot that it was out.

It's not worth debating as I don't want it to take over the topic as things like this usually do but you are suggesting that the goal umpire was 40m away from the goals because the mark was taken on the 50m at or very close to. I suggest that if indeed the goal umpire was the one who said it was out on the full that he too was guessing. And Rudy must have very long arms to reach over 1.5m as his body was still in the field of play.

Mad Dog wrote:

Leedy wrote:

Mad Dog wrote: The wind definitely wasn't a factor! The umpiring was sub standard and at one point through the 3rd qtr 19-8 but they had no impact on the turn around. For me it was simple,momentumn. Waz Wilson hit a target at defensive 50,not sure who it was,and instead of giving it back to Waz the player attempted to go sideways,didn't give it enough air and kicked it straight to the WP player and a goal was the result. It gave WP massive belief which intern led to them gaining massive momentum.
There was one chance to stop that momentum when Rudy took a mark at fwd 50 with a player free over the top but it was ruled out on the full. I had a perfect line on it and I thought it was in. The umpire was 50m behind the play and guessed imo. That being said,we shouldn't have been in that position as it was.

MD, no chance in hell that was in, Swandog and I were in close proximity and it was over by 1.5 metres, wasn't even close, the goal maggot was 10m away and indicated to the boundary maggot that it was out.

It's not worth debating as I don't want it to take over the topic as things like this usually do but you are suggesting that the goal umpire was 40m away from the goals because the mark was taken on the 50m at or very close to. I suggest that if indeed the goal umpire was the one who said it was out on the full that he too was guessing. And Rudy must have very long arms to reach over 1.5m as his body was still in the field of play.

True, we must be talking about separate incidents, the one I saw was about 35m out and he was just out of play with out stretched arms.

Leedy wrote:

Mad Dog wrote:

Leedy wrote:

Mad Dog wrote: The wind definitely wasn't a factor! The umpiring was sub standard and at one point through the 3rd qtr 19-8 but they had no impact on the turn around. For me it was simple,momentumn. Waz Wilson hit a target at defensive 50,not sure who it was,and instead of giving it back to Waz the player attempted to go sideways,didn't give it enough air and kicked it straight to the WP player and a goal was the result. It gave WP massive belief which intern led to them gaining massive momentum.
There was one chance to stop that momentum when Rudy took a mark at fwd 50 with a player free over the top but it was ruled out on the full. I had a perfect line on it and I thought it was in. The umpire was 50m behind the play and guessed imo. That being said,we shouldn't have been in that position as it was.

MD, no chance in hell that was in, Swandog and I were in close proximity and it was over by 1.5 metres, wasn't even close, the goal maggot was 10m away and indicated to the boundary maggot that it was out.

It's not worth debating as I don't want it to take over the topic as things like this usually do but you are suggesting that the goal umpire was 40m away from the goals because the mark was taken on the 50m at or very close to. I suggest that if indeed the goal umpire was the one who said it was out on the full that he too was guessing. And Rudy must have very long arms to reach over 1.5m as his body was still in the field of play.

True, we must be talking about separate incidents, the one I saw was about 35m out and he was just out of play with out stretched arms.

So the goal umpire who called it was now 25m from the goals. I thought he was a bit far out at first lol. I could be wrong and I was further away than you probably were but it was 50-50 I though and luckily for you guys the umpire guessed that it was out.
Probably still would've got up such was the momentum WP had.
Anyway,as I said,we shouldn't have been in that position anyway.
Don't like our chances against peel but spoke to Banfield yday and he's hoping to play this week so he's close. Doc still a couple away but Elari should be right.

It wasn't the best game of football i have seen at all. The skills and goal kicking were terrible all day and it was a scrappy game of football. As Harding said in the rooms the players were mentaly weak, why switch the ball into the wind when in defence with only 8 minutes left? Swans made silly decisions late that cost us a game. It didnt help when Faulkner was injured and Blight did his knee late and in turn West Perth started to win the clearences. Speaking with West Perth players after the game they knew they had the Swans. We were spent from the high tempo game and the injuries put us back a rotation. All in all it was a great finish and i think the Swans young squad will learn alot from the experience, although it was the seasoned players who failed us late.

I thought the Riddoch mark was line ball tbh, which technically makes it a mark missed, but then again I am used to that supporting Swans

Beasley Hutton wrote: After last week you wouldnt think our field kicking could get any worse ..well it did today ..one does wonder how the hell were we even 26 pts up in the first place with the most horrendous skill level imaginable ..looking forward to see what next weeks skill level throws up!!

From my earlier comment this does not include Warwick Wilson who is a beautiful kick of the footy.

mikeh wrote:

Freezin wrote: so what was the cause for this fade out boys?.....youngsters running out of puff.....umps?.....or the wind?......interesting to see Ridley dropped to the colts....was that more so because the state boys will go missing now for the next 6 - 8 weeks?

One of those things that happen sometimes. Swans did the same to South Freo at Fremantle last year. There was a moment at around the 20 minute mark of the last quarter where Matt Rogers took a mark about 40 metres out from goal, Swans were 26 points up. Instead of shooting for goal, he tried to centre the ball to a free player closer to goal, however the West Perth players managed to spoil and quickly moved the ball up the ground and scored a goal. This sparked West Perth into action and they virtually got all the clearances from then on.

Swans were obviously spent and there was suddenly heaps of space in the West Perth forward line where there hadn't been all day. I don't know if Harding could have put all 22 players behind the ball to make it difficult for them, maybe they would have still won anyway.

We were still in front when we got a rare counter attack going and Rudy Riddoch took a sliding mark in the forward pocket, but unfortunately he took the mark centimetres over the boundary line and WP got the ball back.

I guess you just have to salute the West Perth players for lifting when it really counted. This will no doubt give them a lot of confidence that they can win games from any position just like it did for Swans at Freo last year

I was right behind the ball when Rudy took the mark, the boundary umpire was miles behind the play and I believe he made a spectators free kick because I believe Rudy marked the ball inside the line.