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Bazza wrote:

The Shelters that went around EF Oval were all corrugated iron - no asbestos.

The Shelter you are talking about at Leederville was a standard design that was also built at Lathlain and Perth Ovals in the late 60s, concrete stepped footings with wooden benches and metal roof and half covered sides.

They wont be doing that at the new concept ovals, its more about open park multi use facilties, not having something sitting there thats is empty 90% of the time.

You obviously don't have much experience with facility management running or costing, the more you build the more you have to insure and upkeep to modern safety OHs and standards and the costs these days gets higher and higher, the amount of red tape never ends. Local Gov and Clubs don't want to pay it.

Part of the new concept is EF wont even be charging for entry to games so it will be a financial tight ship.

Nope, the shelter stand on the visitors side of the Lathlain grandstand was built in the early 80’s I reckon. Used to be a grass bank. The one behind the goals at the northern end is much older probably built same time as the grandstand in the mid 50’s. Was never any seating there from memory and the rear siding was taken down at least 10 - 15 years ago. Next time I’m at Lathlain I’ll take a closer look at the roof material. Not sure it’s corrugated iron. Maybe EF Oval suffered more from the salt in the air down Fremantle way. 

And you have experience with facility management do you being an ex copper and public servant? You work for a local council now do you? I very much doubt the new EF oval will be without a fence and gates for security purposes alone. That alone would drive up insurance costs. But what would I know I’m just a cabbie that used to work for WA’s biggest insurance company.

And you couldn’t get a more simple structure than a shelter stand that you don’t have to irrigate and dump tons of litres of water on along with the maintenance that comes with managing a nice green lawn. It’s a no brainer for a sporting venue.

What I have read regarding the new EF development is that there will be no fences and no entry fee for all games apart from Derby's and finals when temp fencing will be installed. The Council will reimburse EFFC for lost gate receipts. It will be an open public park, hope the colts pre-game warm up includes a dog poo patrol 

Senior Seagull wrote:

What I have read regarding the new EF development is that there will be no fences and no entry fee for all games apart from Derby's and finals when temp fencing will be installed. The Council will reimburse EFFC for lost gate receipts. It will be an open public park, hope the colts pre-game warm up includes a dog poo patrol 

That just sounds like some sort of fantasy dreamt up by some pothead hippy on the micro EF council. Won't take long for that idea to be thrown in the bin after a couple of hoons decide to rip up the oval or the outer in their Hilux's and Nissan Patrols and the club rooms to be broken into, vandalised and graffitied and the insurance companies start hiking up the premiums until they eventually say you have to install security fences and gates to bring your premiums down.

This isn't a junior or amateur sporting ground. Even bowling clubs have perimeter fences. The whole notion of a fence less WAFL ground then putting temporary fencing around it for Derbies and finals is pure fantasy and ridiculous. Imagine the cost of doing that and how ugly that will look. 

We know what that looks like at temporary events and building sites. That's what it will look like, a building site.

DD wrote:

Bazza wrote:

The Shelters that went around EF Oval were all corrugated iron - no asbestos.

The Shelter you are talking about at Leederville was a standard design that was also built at Lathlain and Perth Ovals in the late 60s, concrete stepped footings with wooden benches and metal roof and half covered sides.

They wont be doing that at the new concept ovals, its more about open park multi use facilties, not having something sitting there thats is empty 90% of the time.

You obviously don't have much experience with facility management running or costing, the more you build the more you have to insure and upkeep to modern safety OHs and standards and the costs these days gets higher and higher, the amount of red tape never ends. Local Gov and Clubs don't want to pay it.

Part of the new concept is EF wont even be charging for entry to games so it will be a financial tight ship.

Nope, the shelter stand on the visitors side of the Lathlain grandstand was built in the early 80’s I reckon. Used to be a grass bank. The one behind the goals at the northern end is much older probably built same time as the grandstand in the mid 50’s. Was never any seating there from memory and the rear siding was taken down at least 10 - 15 years ago. Next time I’m at Lathlain I’ll take a closer look at the roof material. Not sure it’s corrugated iron. Maybe EF Oval suffered more from the salt in the air down Fremantle way. 

And you have experience with facility management do you being an ex copper and public servant? You work for a local council now do you? I very much doubt the new EF oval will be without a fence and gates for security purposes alone. That alone would drive up insurance costs. But what would I know I’m just a cabbie that used to work for WA’s biggest insurance company.

And you couldn’t get a more simple structure than a shelter stand that you don’t have to irrigate and dump tons of litres of water on along with the maintenance that comes with managing a nice green lawn. It’s a no brainer for a sporting venue.

You haven't got a clue.  You'll find the Lathlain stand is a fair bit older than that, no the shelter at the back of the goals never had seats that was standing only like most of them...Sounds like you haven't even read the concept of the EFFC oval set up. As per SS's comment. 

And yes been involved in costing and running properties for a long time, insurance,  public liability and maintenance costs have gone through the roof last few years. 

EF Oval had another metal shelter on the eastern side of the ground, which was newer, 

No Brainer is a good one for you, no wonder Perth have been riddled with success with jokers like you on board. 

Bazza wrote:

DD wrote:

Bazza wrote:

The Shelters that went around EF Oval were all corrugated iron - no asbestos.

The Shelter you are talking about at Leederville was a standard design that was also built at Lathlain and Perth Ovals in the late 60s, concrete stepped footings with wooden benches and metal roof and half covered sides.

They wont be doing that at the new concept ovals, its more about open park multi use facilties, not having something sitting there thats is empty 90% of the time.

You obviously don't have much experience with facility management running or costing, the more you build the more you have to insure and upkeep to modern safety OHs and standards and the costs these days gets higher and higher, the amount of red tape never ends. Local Gov and Clubs don't want to pay it.

Part of the new concept is EF wont even be charging for entry to games so it will be a financial tight ship.

Nope, the shelter stand on the visitors side of the Lathlain grandstand was built in the early 80’s I reckon. Used to be a grass bank. The one behind the goals at the northern end is much older probably built same time as the grandstand in the mid 50’s. Was never any seating there from memory and the rear siding was taken down at least 10 - 15 years ago. Next time I’m at Lathlain I’ll take a closer look at the roof material. Not sure it’s corrugated iron. Maybe EF Oval suffered more from the salt in the air down Fremantle way. 

And you have experience with facility management do you being an ex copper and public servant? You work for a local council now do you? I very much doubt the new EF oval will be without a fence and gates for security purposes alone. That alone would drive up insurance costs. But what would I know I’m just a cabbie that used to work for WA’s biggest insurance company.

And you couldn’t get a more simple structure than a shelter stand that you don’t have to irrigate and dump tons of litres of water on along with the maintenance that comes with managing a nice green lawn. It’s a no brainer for a sporting venue.

You haven't got a clue.  You'll find the Lathlain stand is a fair bit older than that, no the shelter at the back of the goals never had seats that was standing only like most of them...Sounds like you haven't even read the concept of the EFFC oval set up. As per SS's comment. 

And yes been involved in costing and running properties for a long time, insurance,  public liability and maintenance costs have gone through the roof last few years. 

EF Oval had another metal shelter on the eastern side of the ground, which was newer, 

No Brainer is a good one for you, no wonder Perth have been riddled with success with jokers like you on board. 

Ok dickhead if you want to play it that way. Since you've got a stack of time sitting on your public service fat arse go to the archives or ask the TOVP when the Lathlain shelter stand was built. I remember as a kid being up in the visitors side of the grandstand and running down and around the grass bank behind the goals to get Murray Couper's and other players autographs at that end of the ground and don't recall a shelter stand being there then. That was mid 70's. There was a terraced area on the visitors side. 

I've found a 1965 image showing no such shelter stand then 1986 it was there. Also taken a screenshot of a match at Leederville from a match between WP and P in 1992. One camera angle shows a very new looking shelter stand next to the grandstand. Must have later removed half of it to build the new Subi rooms.

 
 

DD the old shed next to the visitors changerooms was definitely there on my first visit to Lathlain Park in Rd2 1981.
I also have a photo from an old footy book of ex Demon Brian Cook taken circa 1980 with that shed behind him as well.

Thats correct BH it is Pre 1980 for sure, it was there in 1970s when I was going, forst trip would of been 1976/77 or so and it was there.

Beasley Hutton wrote:

DD the old shed next to the visitors changerooms was definitely there on my first visit to Lathlain Park in Rd2 1981.
I also have a photo from an old footy book of ex Demon Brian Cook taken circa 1980 with that shed behind him as well.

The ones removed from EF Oval some time ago were very similar to the existing one behind the goals city end at Basso.

Beasley Hutton wrote:

DD the old shed next to the visitors changerooms was definitely there on my first visit to Lathlain Park in Rd2 1981.
I also have a photo from an old footy book of ex Demon Brian Cook taken circa 1980 with that shed behind him as well.

Can you put up that photo BH? What I remember when I started sitting in that shelter in the early 80’s was how new it looked. You know when concrete is new and it’s a light grey colour. Everything about it looked new. The older ones had hotmix road terraces with concrete curb edging like the one behind the goals at Lathlain and Bassendean. Now lifting up by tree roots.

Looking a bit closer at the design and diagrams on the town site, there is actually quite a bit of extra covered area in the northern half of the pavilion, there is a covered walkway and a large function room with glass windows and some covered space at the front of that looks more than adequate for most games.

I would say on the southern side of the seated stand it appears to have been left blank and with space available for future extension should it be needed.