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TT: I hope they will take the amateur out of their title if they do what is propossed.

TT that isn't quite correct.
The Sunday Football League was massively affected by the introduction of the Eagles & Dockers playing predominantly on the day they had to their own back in the 70s & 80s where they were drawing crowds in excess of what the WAFL draws nowadays.
Secondly you are kidding yourself if you think the amateurs standard is steadily catching the WAFLs level. I watch both levels when it is possible and the amos is miles off the WAFL even considering the level of pressure involved.
Thirdly yes the WAFL clubs do have to make changes to their business model which many if not all have over the last decade or so if you hadn't already recognised but let's not forget back in 1986 one of the key points around the introduction of the Eagles into a so called national competition was actually to help the WAFL clubs out financially, keeping all our own players in the West etc and now you suggest they reneg on the one point they have followed through with? ...otherwise what was the whole point of the exercise?

TT,I would like to know who all these ex AFL and WAFL players are running around in the WAAFL.Can you name them?The standard in the WAFL would have to be heaps better .If each comp picked a best of to play against each other,the WAFL would smash them in my opinion.

The wooden spoon wafl reserves side would smash the a grade amateur premiers

It's all good and well for us supporters to blame the AFL for everything, but maybe it is about time we started putting some heat on our WAFL clubs.
It is the WAFL clubs who voted to put a side in the VFL in 1986. Some of them took a cheque to vote for it.
It is the WAFL clubs who accept everything the WAFC do, they accept it because they get money to accept it.
We never see the WAFL clubs stand up as a collective group because to many of them are easily paid off.
Clearly the WAFL clubs cannot survive without the handouts, if they could maybe they would act.
I don't know what the answers are but I do know this, the AFL clubs in WA will not be entering their seconds side in the VFL ever.
The AFL clubs will over time negotiate lower royalty's to the WAFC which in time will be less money for WAFL clubs.
The WAFC will act in the best interest of their cash cows not the WAFL. Whinge or you like that it is right or wrong but at some point reality must sink in.
The thing that disappoints me is that the WAFL clubs know that relying on funding long term will kill them off, yet they sit there and accept everything instead as others have said make some changes and have a crack at another model.

Greatwhiteshark wrote: It's all good and well for us supporters to blame the AFL for everything, but maybe it is about time we started putting some heat on our WAFL clubs.
It is the WAFL clubs who voted to put a side in the VFL in 1986. Some of them took a cheque to vote for it.
It is the WAFL clubs who accept everything the WAFC do, they accept it because they get money to accept it.
We never see the WAFL clubs stand up as a collective group because to many of them are easily paid off.
Clearly the WAFL clubs cannot survive without the handouts, if they could maybe they would act.
I don't know what the answers are but I do know this, the AFL clubs in WA will not be entering their seconds side in the VFL ever.
The AFL clubs will over time negotiate lower royalty's to the WAFC which in time will be less money for WAFL clubs.
The WAFC will act in the best interest of their cash cows not the WAFL. Whinge or you like that it is right or wrong but at some point reality must sink in.
The thing that disappoints me is that the WAFL clubs know that relying on funding long term will kill them off, yet they sit there and accept everything instead as others have said make some changes and have a crack at another model.

GWS I presume you are aware how the commissioners are elected? It has got to the stage now where the WAFC don't even try to maintain a facade that they are interested in the WAFL clubs and competition.

It is very easy for people to say that the WAFL clubs should not rely on the money given to them from the WAFC. My challenge to those people is where else are they to obtain those revenue streams. As an example of the difficulties is the telecast of the WAFL games. This cost a $1,000,000 and in the case of Claremont a direct loss of one of their major sponsors. The imposition of match times that were obviously and forseeably a disincentive to match attendances.

Add the host club alignment and you have a situation that is alienating the supporter base of the WAFL competition.

swan42 wrote:

Greatwhiteshark wrote: It's all good and well for us supporters to blame the AFL for everything, but maybe it is about time we started putting some heat on our WAFL clubs.
It is the WAFL clubs who voted to put a side in the VFL in 1986. Some of them took a cheque to vote for it.
It is the WAFL clubs who accept everything the WAFC do, they accept it because they get money to accept it.
We never see the WAFL clubs stand up as a collective group because to many of them are easily paid off.
Clearly the WAFL clubs cannot survive without the handouts, if they could maybe they would act.
I don't know what the answers are but I do know this, the AFL clubs in WA will not be entering their seconds side in the VFL ever.
The AFL clubs will over time negotiate lower royalty's to the WAFC which in time will be less money for WAFL clubs.
The WAFC will act in the best interest of their cash cows not the WAFL. Whinge or you like that it is right or wrong but at some point reality must sink in.
The thing that disappoints me is that the WAFL clubs know that relying on funding long term will kill them off, yet they sit there and accept everything instead as others have said make some changes and have a crack at another model.

GWS I presume you are aware how the commissioners are elected? It has got to the stage now where the WAFC don't even try to maintain a facade that they are interested in the WAFL clubs and competition.

It is very easy for people to say that the WAFL clubs should not rely on the money given to them from the WAFC. My challenge to those people is where else are they to obtain those revenue streams. As an example of the difficulties is the telecast of the WAFL games. This cost a $1,000,000 and in the case of Claremont a direct loss of one of their major sponsors. The imposition of match times that were obviously and forseeably a disincentive to match attendances.

Add the host club alignment and you have a situation that is alienating the supporter base of the WAFL competition.

That is fine mate but it is not going to change and thread after thread and complaint after complaint about it does nothing.
The WAFC are puppets of the AFL as you and I both know.
Unfortunately the supporter base is not big enough to worry about now, if it was it would be listened to.
I had a serious Chat to Raponi one day and the answers were all the same, it's political.
So unless a supporter like you and I are prepared to breakaawy the WAFL and sponsor it for 10 million a year for 10 years then we are at the whim of the WAFC and the AFL.
Clearly the clubs together have no say anymore.

Tiger of old wrote: The wooden spoon wafl reserves side would smash the a grade amateur premiers

Rrenaming the competition to remove 'Amateur' has been proposed as part of the discussion.

Most WAFL reserves sides have a handful of fringe players capable of playing WAFL League footy, the rest just make up the required 22 players each week. Let's look at last years A Grade Grand Final teams:
Trinity Aquinas
Quinten Lynch, Ryan Murphy, Rhett Kerr, Tom Crossland, Tim Bruce, Daniel Arangio, Daniel O'Sullivan
Scarborough.
Aiden Parker, Courtney Moores, Jordan Adamsom-Holmes, Marc Re, Nick Hay
Add in another 8-10 players who played several WAFL ressies games and very few league games.

Im sure EP would still find a league spot for Johnson and Lee who are headed to Wembley, Perth captain to TAs, Subiacos Robertson and Swans Simpson to Kalamunda etc and that's without WAAFL clubs being openly able to pay.

In 2018 if each WAAFL club got 1 WAFL League player that's 8 league players taken out of every WAFL club. Some WAAFL clubs will be able to afford to pay more and the talent pool at WAFL isn't that deep to cover the losses.

I follow the ammos quite a bit especially at the business end of the year. But would have to say it's light years off the WAFL in quality of footy. Plenty of great players spread around the different levels and the country leagues, but the talent is diluted. The VFL/AFL did not need the WAFL to go national but it made it easy. They could put a team on the moon now if they felt like it.

yous are all full of it, if you believe that east perth and peel are ruining the intergrity of the competition you are kidding yourselves, subiaco have pretty much unlimited money and are clearly over the salary cap but that never gets a mention, paying reserves players 400 dollars a game!