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Barney wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

Barney wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Barney wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Barney wrote: No difference to WAFL clubs poaching talent from their metro and country zones mid year to fill holes in their reserves teams.

Accepting your premise that WAFL clubs do it to fill holes in their reserves team; how is it the same as taken potential your best player from a WAFL league club and its impact on their chances in the second half of the year and/or finals?

Jeepers, think I might have to include illustrations from now on, you seem to struggle a fair bit.

Firstly of course they take players away from country and amateur teams to fill holes. Do you think WAFL teams use the same 45 players every week of the year?

Secondly when they take these players would they prefer to take the best players available or any players? They take the best players. So let's say a country team built around the abilities of 1 or 2 players is disrupted because his WAFL club has a few injuries and the players want to follow their dream of playing the highest possible level they can reach. Then this country team has a huge hole to fill for the second half of the season having to replace their best players with reserves players.

if you don't think this is what happens then where do the top up players mysteriously appear from mid season?

Perhaps you can provide 2 or 3 examples with respect to Swan Districts in the last couple of years.

You are kidding aren't you? Surely no one is this stupid.

Got no time to put up with you so yes you are 100% correct, in the last couple of years Swans have only used 45 players for the year. When they had injuries and suspensions they just played short in the reserves so they didn't disturb country and amatuer clubs in their zone.

I may need to type this very slowly for Barney (Ron/Bruce) to comprehend but Swans bring boys up from our own Colts not from the country is the point 42 is making!

The players you select to fill the gaps made in the colts, where do they come from? Do you grow them in terracotta pots behind the can bar?

From JUNIOR CLUBS in SWANS ZONE who are already training with the Swans Colts team Barney where else do you think they would come from? Good question though you must commend Ron on coming up with that one for me!

pretty sure every club has a colts squad and that squad is topped up with 16's players, every club would do this as players filter thru the grades as the year goes on.

Ron/Bruce you are really struggling on this one..

Those top up players don't play at until they are called up or do they play for their junior club until they are called up. After they get the call up are their junior clubs able to fill the gap with an equally skilled player or is there a hole in their team?

Also if someone who didn't do pre season with the league or colts squad starts the year in good form are they ignored by Swans or do the get an invite to training?

I agree re the point regarding a WAFL team losing a top shelf player or two mid season and the obvious impact it would have on getting into the finals. I hope it doesn't happen but like anything for the AFL it is very likely. AFL teams must suck it up and manage their lists as they have done for decades with the lists they have at the start of the year, if AFL teams see that as an issue then allow them to expand their lists at draft time, at least that will not effect 2nd tier teams mid season.

If it does come to be, a compensation package must be put in place, so that the WAFL/SANFL/VFL/TAFL club that loses players also has the ability to replace that player without any salary or points cap penalty ie they can exceed both as compensation and the AFL club must pay twice the normal transfer fee. I'm sure if an AFL club is in such desperate straights that they need to pillage 2nd tier clubs the $$ will not be an issue. Also the offending AFL club must demonstrate an actual need for this replacement by way of medical certificates and a season ending "injury delisting" of players that are being replaced. This cannot be just a case of replacing underperforming players.

If Subi or any club lost players of the calibre of a Horsely, Delahunty, Boland, Yarran, DeLuca(s) Hampson or Walker for the 2nd half of a season it would be a disaster.

Senior Seagull wrote: I agree re the point regarding a WAFL team losing a top shelf player or two mid season and the obvious impact it would have on getting into the finals. I hope it doesn't happen but like anything for the AFL it is very likely. AFL teams must suck it up and manage their lists as they have done for decades with the lists they have at the start of the year, if AFL teams see that as an issue then allow them to expand their lists at draft time, at least that will not effect 2nd tier teams mid season.

If it does come to be, a compensation package must be put in place, so that the WAFL/SANFL/VFL/TAFL club that loses players also has the ability to replace that player without any salary or points cap penalty ie they can exceed both as compensation and the AFL club must pay twice the normal transfer fee. I'm sure if an AFL club is in such desperate straights that they need to pillage 2nd tier clubs the $$ will not be an issue. Also the offending AFL club must demonstrate an actual need for this replacement by way of medical certificates and a season ending "injury delisting" of players that are being replaced. This cannot be just a case of replacing underperforming players.

If Subi or any club lost players of the calibre of a Horsely, Delahunty, Boland, Yarran, DeLuca(s) Hampson or Walker for the 2nd half of a season it would be a disaster.

Not according to Barney.
It wouldn't worry him in the slightest.

Barney wrote: Those top up players don't play at until they are called up or do they play for their junior club until they are called up. After they get the call up are their junior clubs able to fill the gap with an equally skilled player or is there a hole in their team?

Also if someone who didn't do pre season with the league or colts squad starts the year in good form are they ignored by Swans or do the get an invite to training?

Swans dont let any kid play at any level if they are not picked in their colts team, therefore their local team is not impacted.

Swans have also in their history never invited a player from any competition to train or play with Swans from outside their league/reserves squad.

they have also never lost a player from their league/reserves/colts squad to another WAFL club, country or metro club after a season has started..

what about Subi Ron/Bruce ?

I know through bitter experience EF drag kids out of the 16s to top up their colts team. It negatively impacts on local club footy as each team can lose up to 3 kids each week into the colts. I help coach a 16s team and it's a pain in the ar$e.

and where do you get your kids from if your team is short ?

i can see an issue here - NIMBY's

Iam not a fan of it and iam pro WAFL football.

But as a player playing football under the AFL level this would be a great opputunity to reach the highest level.

Losing players will hurt clubs. The clubs losing players must be fully compensated, even more than the normal draft fees.

Still not a fan of it,

Barney wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Barney wrote:

swan42 wrote:

Barney wrote: No difference to WAFL clubs poaching talent from their metro and country zones mid year to fill holes in their reserves teams.

Accepting your premise that WAFL clubs do it to fill holes in their reserves team; how is it the same as taken potential your best player from a WAFL league club and its impact on their chances in the second half of the year and/or finals?

Jeepers, think I might have to include illustrations from now on, you seem to struggle a fair bit.

Firstly of course they take players away from country and amateur teams to fill holes. Do you think WAFL teams use the same 45 players every week of the year?

Secondly when they take these players would they prefer to take the best players available or any players? They take the best players. So let's say a country team built around the abilities of 1 or 2 players is disrupted because his WAFL club has a few injuries and the players want to follow their dream of playing the highest possible level they can reach. Then this country team has a huge hole to fill for the second half of the season having to replace their best players with reserves players.

if you don't think this is what happens then where do the top up players mysteriously appear from mid season?

Perhaps you can provide 2 or 3 examples with respect to Swan Districts in the last couple of years.

You are kidding aren't you? Surely no one is this stupid.

Got no time to put up with you so yes you are 100% correct, in the last couple of years Swans have only used 45 players for the year. When they had injuries and suspensions they just played short in the reserves so they didn't disturb country and amatuer clubs in their zone.

Perhaps I am not the one that needs to consider the level of stupidity expressed in their postings on this topic. I have never quoted a number of players used by Swans in its reserves team for a season. However, for the record we have sometimes used around 75 players for the season in both our reserves' and colts' teams.

Your assertion was that they take the best players to top up their reserves' team.