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I have mentioned my anger at the lopsided and blatant stacking of ex-East Perth coonts in that circus - count them all for yourselves now that Brian is gone

Cardy, AFL players have been shifted to a reserves side, usually the bottom side, where their assigned Club had a bye for years. It's not new.

Swan42 the Commissioners are the Commissioners. The point was who runs the Commission the Commissioners or the CEO.
Not sure what your second point was about.
Your third point, don't you think a compromise would have been better than having it shoved down our throats.
Not so sure what the angst was all about.
As long the tweeking was done it would have worked, just in the same way the current arrangement needs tweeking.
Are you happy with the recruitment rules, salary cap rules, points rules allowed to EP & Peel.
With the right tweeking there is no doubt that the next 25 premierships will not be won by EP & Peel.
I don't like the arrangement as it is either, but I think it may work with tweeking of the rules.
The argument has been vented on here by passionate WAFL supporters and I respect that, but I am not sure their arguments have been rational and without emotion.

In answer to question about whom is the Commission responsible, the short answer is: Colin Barnett.

It looks like we will have to put up with this nonsense with East Perth for another four years, which at least will give the Club boards time to think about the issue. Over that time, the clubs need to be fully united and established a strategy to forestall another alignment. In the past, people have suggested boycotting East Perth and Peel, but I would go one step further in four years time. I would threaten the expulsion of any club which signs an agreement with the AFL clubs.

In practical terms -- besides concentrating the minds of every stakeholder in WA football -- this would involve a careful reading of WAFL's constitution. We would need to establish if there is an 'expulsion clause', what are the grounds for 'expulsion', what is the 'expulsion' procedure and so on.

One could think terms of an 'alignment' damaging the 'integrity of the WAFL' as a starting point.

If a vote on 'expulsion' was successful, we would have effectively excluded the two Victorian clubs from the WAFL and expedited the break-up of so-called WA. The WAFL can continue on into the future -- smaller in scale -- but independent of the AFL. The Victorian clubs can go to the expense of setting up their own competition -- which will not happen -- or more likely, join an AFL Reserves completion.

In any event through the strategy of 'expulsion', the clubs will have taken the initiative away from the East Perth Eagles, re-established the integrity of their competition, and finally, moved into the future with some honour.

Ark Royal, out to sea again?

Your post illustrates my point.

It maybe emotive (for which I commend you) but hardly rationally thought out I'm afraid.

Well said Ark Royal and you have obviously put a LOT of thought into it.

DF you are obviously a FENCE SITTER who I have noticed whilst running WAFL supporters down have not made any constructive suggestions on how to solved the problem.

As a matter of fact I cant recollect many posts on the topics.

Maybe you are happy the Eagles are moving out to Lathlain and throwing a lot of money in your clubs direction.
Ha 30 pieces of silver... It will come back to bite you in the arse

Demons Forever wrote: Cardy, AFL players have been shifted to a reserves side, usually the bottom side, where their assigned Club had a bye for years. It's not new.

Swan42 the Commissioners are the Commissioners. The point was who runs the Commission the Commissioners or the CEO.
Not sure what your second point was about.
Your third point, don't you think a compromise would have been better than having it shoved down our throats.
Not so sure what the angst was all about.
As long the tweeking was done it would have worked, just in the same way the current arrangement needs tweeking.
Are you happy with the recruitment rules, salary cap rules, points rules allowed to EP & Peel.
With the right tweeking there is no doubt that the next 25 premierships will not be won by EP & Peel.
I don't like the arrangement as it is either, but I think it may work with tweeking of the rules.
The argument has been vented on here by passionate WAFL supporters and I respect that, but I am not sure their arguments have been rational and without emotion.

I will start with a clarification of my second point about the benefits Swans derived from having Hansen and Davis at the club. Whilst they were on an AFL list they were able to show our other players the level of commitment and effort required to succeed at the elite level. When they were subsequently delisted they continued to provide the benefit of their experience in passing on their knowledge to our younger players.

With respect to compromises - that would require a willingness to acknowledge the other side's position. That was singularly lacking from the AFL clubs. Any discussion about limiting the number of AFL aligned players in a WAFL aligned league team is in the same realm as Alice in Wonderland. If the AFL clubs want 22 players to play in a WAFL league match that is exactly what they will get.

Of course I am not happy with the salary cap afforded to the two WAFL aligned clubs. Similarly, the three clubs, including Ellenbrook, which were allocated to the East Perth junior zone should have been returned immediately to Swan Districts. Continuing this theme, there should have been an immediate waiving of all transfer fees payable to the two aligned WAFL clubs for any player of those two clubs who wished to move to another WAFL club for greater opportunity to play at league level.

How would you limit the advantage the two aligned clubs with respect to their ability to provide greater coaching personnel and software; greater recovery facilities; superior training and warm-up equipment; etc etc etc?

ArkRoyal wrote: In answer to question about whom is the Commission responsible, the short answer is: Colin Barnett.

It looks like we will have to put up with this nonsense with East Perth for another four years, which at least will give the Club boards time to think about the issue. Over that time, the clubs need to be fully united and established a strategy to forestall another alignment. In the past, people have suggested boycotting East Perth and Peel, but I would go one step further in four years time. I would threaten the expulsion of any club which signs an agreement with the AFL clubs.

In practical terms -- besides concentrating the minds of every stakeholder in WA football -- this would involve a careful reading of WAFL's constitution. We would need to establish if there is an 'expulsion clause', what are the grounds for 'expulsion', what is the 'expulsion' procedure and so on.

One could think terms of an 'alignment' damaging the 'integrity of the WAFL' as a starting point.

If a vote on 'expulsion' was successful, we would have effectively excluded the two Victorian clubs from the WAFL and expedited the break-up of so-called WA. The WAFL can continue on into the future -- smaller in scale -- but independent of the AFL. The Victorian clubs can go to the expense of setting up their own competition -- which will not happen -- or more likely, join an AFL Reserves completion.

In any event through the strategy of 'expulsion', the clubs will have taken the initiative away from the East Perth Eagles, re-established the integrity of their competition, and finally, moved into the future with some honour.

Expulsions, boycotts and starting a new league were all threatened by some of the G7 Presidents (well mainly 1 of them) and when it came time to stand up they squibbed.

They can end the alignment sooner than 4 years. If they gave the two AFL clubs the option of their own teams (or even if they could snag the popular give Peel to Freo option) they would jump at it. There is an out clause in the contract, clubs involved must give 12 months notice.

Cardy wrote: interesting point there Mark. I do remember last year when one of the WAFL clubs had a bye and the AFL club wanted to give a player a run so he played for WP reserves.. Apparently the small print or regulations must of said they could do that. It only happened once and I did put a post on it at the time and had the system explained to me where a Dockers or Eagles player could play for a WAFL reserves side. The side I think was determined by a WAFL reserves club that was down on the bottom of the ladder..

Round 12 WP V CLA 2013 was the game in question here is our list for that game
Pick out the odd man out

Yep Simon Turnbridge not a listed WP player. on Eagles list

www.wafl.com.au/games/view/9549

Turnbridge profile

www.wafl.com.au/players/view/4477



The question here is if that rule still applies and if Peel or EP have a bye can they give a AFL listed player a run in another WAFL club reserves.

Not sure about your statement re WAFL players being taken off WAFL clubs maybe I have misunderstood what you mean?

Most of those players look a bit odd. (except Stockley)

Cardy -- thanks for that support
Barney -- We are not talking about the past, when they thought they were united but EP ratted. I am talking about the future -- when EPs or any other club's disloyalty to the WAFL can be planned for and dealt with according to the rules of the league.

Last year the WAFL clubs beat the Eagles -- they don't have their own team in the competition. Why would the WAFL clubs want to give up this victory twelve months later? Keep in mind, the seven clubs are staying in line with their membership: members don't want the AFL teams in the competition or aligned in any way.

East Perth could save itself from future sanction by reversing its policy. After all, in doing so, they would actually be reflecting the majority opinion amongst the WAFL fraternity. Now that would be novel for EP and their Eagles friends.

East Perth could save itself from future sanction by reversing its policy. After all, in doing so, they would actually be reflecting the majority opinion amongst the WAFL fraternity. Now that would be novel for EP and their Eagles friends.
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Ark Royal... Your statement will never happen. Shit Bronte would have to start finding money again to support the Royals and Lets not forget the Full time coach and support staff who are being paid for by the Eagles.

It will never happen as this club along with Peel were brought back from the Brink of Bankruptcy by by their good friends at the WAFC and the AFL clubs who needed their players to have a run when not playing. Cheap option for them