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Peel might get to see finals but it want be the same as getting there your self
Its bullshit this is going to kill the WAFL.
Its all got to be about the Eagle and Dockers.

Master G wrote: Peel might get to see finals but it want be the same as getting there your self
Its bullshit this is going to kill the WAFL.
Its all got to be about the Eagle and Dockers.

Dockers are just after silverware. Peel have no soul, and has been the WAFC's lovechild since their inception in '96?

East Perth are the ones who have been killed off. After 5 years I think they'll be re-branded or dumped by the Eagles.

Take a look at the VFL. Essendon have parted ways with Bendigo, and Western Bulldogs have announced their host club situation with Williamstown hasn't worked. Footscray FC will play VFL as of 2014.

It will be interesting to see how Bendigo, and indeed Williamstown go onfield after the 2013 season with their separations.

Mike.

www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-31/eagles-an...t/4343722?section=wa

Basically it means the AFL clubs have got their way with 2 reserve clubs in the WAFL. Some say it wont make a difference.. It will as these highly trained and skilful players will make a difference. Just ask EF who had a big AFL input in 2012.
$100,000 extra to the other clubs as Compensation? Compensation for what?
The AFL clubs will also have the final say in who coaches Peel and EP as well. If this isnt a big coup by Freo and the Eagles what is it?

As I said in a earlier post on this subject it is taking over the WAFL by stealth. Great the other clubs will breed and develop the AFL players and then they will be moved to Peel or EP.. IS THAT FAIR!!! Certainly not.

I suspect our GRASS ROOTS comp will be worse off because of these decisions.
Even to the point where WAFL supporters will talk with their feet including EP and Peel supporters who will see talented players left out because of the influx of AFL players into their clubs.

A bloody SAD state of affairs.

I totally agree there needs to be more compensation for the seven other clubs, and blind freddy can see the whole situation is to benefit the AFL clubs, and Victorian football in general. The WAFL is now a sub servant of the Victorian based AFL.

The blame must be aimed at a weak WAFC. They have been bullied I suspect, without really thinking through the consequences. Wait until the AFL licences are revoked by the AFL from the WAFC.

The AFL Clubs in WA have walked in and basically taken over 2 WAFL clubs to achieve their aims..
I can understand the WAFL presidents having no confidence in the WAFC.
Question? Did the two WAFL club presidents at Peel and EP agree to the arrangement or were they forced into the arrangement? I was under the impression all WAFL presidents were against the concept? So does this mean the WAFL Presidents have no say in the matter?? I thought I heard Brett Raponi say the concept had to be voted on by the Club presidents and any changes would only happen if the WAFL presidents agreed on the changes?
It appears the WAFL presidents, if this is the case, had no say in the DECISION! If what I say above is true.
I can understand the President or presidents havifng NO CONFIDENCE in the WAFC!
Would like a few answers to my above questions.. More from the WEST.

au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/spor...-afl-listed-players/

According to Haydn Raitt "At the end of the day, the commission can do it without our consent anyway and we could end up with nothing."

Read the full story here au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl...o-finetune-afl-deal/

Mike

Thanks Mike that answers my questions. What a can of worms we have created. It appears EP are very happy. They now wont have to try and buy a premiership and spend a lot of money for nothing!. Happy Days for them.
The article you quoted has certainly opened a can of worms.
It certainly made me sicker the more I read. I like to look at the positives but could see none comming from this Autocratic decision by the WAFC. The WAFL as we have always known it will no longer be in existence.
As you say the WAFC were most probably led by the nose by the AFL. The next step will the WAFC will lose their licences for the 2 WA AFL clubs. From what I have read that is not far off.

The "seven" traditional WAFL clubs really need to work together, and stick to their guns. I've been most impressed by West Perth during all of this.

West Perth, like Kevin Sheedy see the whole picture when it comes to the AFL. Even Sheeds has tried to talk sense to the AFL previously about destroying the WAFL comp. Its not good for football in the long run... Remember the AFL wants a 3rd team in West Perth's zone!

AFL PARTNERING MODEL - REVIEW BY COP Group of Seven


Financial Aspects Issue Action


1 $450k per AFL Club or $100k (of which $30k is conditional) per WAFL club is not enough given it was a stated No1 priority!! And any other solution would have cost the AFL considerably more.

2 The amount of money does not recognise the expected impact of this decision on WAFL Club revenues - there was never an impact statement or attempt to value this impact done by the WAFC as demanded by WAFL.

3 There is no increase during the term of the agreement or KPI's that may lead to a share of the benefits to AFLClubs if they are more successful, as they have constantly repeated the need.

4 Development Fund - controlled by WAFC - this must be distributed and controlled by the WAFL Clubs and can be quarantined on clubs balance sheet as is $20K of the money in the deal. It would then be by agreement with WAFL/WAFC that clubs would then contribute to the identified projects and capability building. Must be controlled by WAFL Clubs

5 Understated benefits to Partner Clubs. Partner Clubs 2012 grants are only reduced by $75,000 creating a gap of a mere $175,000. This gap should be much more if correctly including the cost of a senior coach, 12 free players per week at least, no recruitment costs - transfer fees, relocation costs and recruitment staff and travel costs, Medical staff, S&C personnel and IT devices ie GPS etc.

6 Are the amounts in the proposal in 2014 dollars or in 2012 dollars? C&M grant increases by approx $15k annually, is the $450k by AFL Clubs increased by CPI until the agreement starts in 2014?

7 PDO funding is a re-write of history. When is was introduced in 2008, all but $20k was already existing Club grants - $15k Youth Development Grant, $10k Grow the Game and 1 off C&M grant CPI increase for 2009 of $15K. The increase of PDO Funding in the Model is out of the $100k - why include this smoke screen?

8 There has been no attempt to quantify the impact that this decision will have on the Seven.
9 There is no statement on the benefits to the 7 of this deal other that the funding.

10 Full draft payments required for WA based Rookies now

11 Peel's $300,000 debt - provide a status report.

12 Full disclosure required on EP &Peel 2012 financials

13 Is EP coach Dawson being paid by EP for 2013?

14 Has the WAFC considered the value of the "trickle down effect" to EP/Peel. Ie take advantage of the AFL brand for sponsors, marketing opportunities , membership links to the AFL Clubs etc

15 Should be no draft fees paid to EP or Peel for tranfer of players to other WAFL Clubs



Rules , Competition, Recruitment, 2013 Transition


16 What is the salary cap reduction for the 2 in 2013?

17 What is the points reduction for 2013 for EP/Peel for the interstate Afl players?

18 EP /Peel must actually pay into a WAFL Fund for the additonal free
players they are allocated in 2013 transitional year.

19 What is the salary cap reduction for 2014?

20 What is the effect on the points system in 2014? Can it continue now because doubt exists how it can be reduced fairly to the WAFL's satisfaction.

21 The agreed policy of increasing the AFL player value in the salary cap by 60% in 2013. Confirm this!

22 Any recruitment by the 2 Clubs for 2013 and beyond needs urgent clarification.

23 There should be stricktly no recruitment outside EP & Peel zoned players (or they forfeit their zones!)There should be stricktly no recruitment outside EP & Peel zoned players (or they forfeit their zones!)

24 Finals qualifications - AFL players not qualified - can they play for their clubs if the WCE of FFC are in finals (this is the current rules!!) What if EP/Peel not in finals and AFL clubs want their players to play as per 2012.

25 Constitutional Impact - Partnered Clubs voting rights given AFL influence

26 Should be no transfer fees paid to EP or Peel for transfer of players to other WAFL Clubs

27 Lists for Peel /EP should not contain non-district players in 2014 and beyond, they must all be local district (1 point players) players only.

28 The impact of having AFL Clubs directly involved in the Talent Pathway

29 Set limitations on the number of AFL listed players on the field at any one time ie 11 AFL 11 Peel, 12/10 etc

30 What is the compensation for AFL players taken to EP/Peel?

31 Do
WCE/FFC players home grown return to club of origin once AFL career finishes?
32 Will the 7 get the same upgrades in sports science benefits as the

I don't want this to look as if I am in agreement with this whole mess, but I have to respond to the list of points from the point of view going forward ...


Agree with most of it, but -

Point 5 - to me it assumes too much about how things will work - but its worth asking the question.

Point 14 - Is there really an advantage? I think this overstates the level of "takeover" that many assume this is. Also, the clubs may actually lose members / sponsors over this. Anyway why don't they turn around and whinge at Subi over the ticket thing they have going at Subi Oval - its a similar type of advantage if it is true - everyone takes advantage of what they can.

Points 15 and 26 - the same thing? Regardless I completely disagree with this - ALTHOUGH - it may be fair to impose this for 2014 only such that disaffected players can be fairly moved around. But both clubs will still be developing their zones and deserve the same rewards for doing so especially if point 23 comes to fruition.

Point 18 - pathetic. There has always been an imbalance between the clubs over the number of AFL players at a club - in particular EF and Claremont have enjoyed a huge advantage for a long time not having to pay their players that got drafted - in fact they'll probably still be better off (in 2013) than EP and Peel in this regard. Why whinge about this now?

point 27 - if point 23 is imposed this will come to pass it time - HOWEVER i do feel strongly the clubs should not be forced to give up any players currently at the club. Also any EP / Peel player that plays AFL and returns would be valued more than a 1 point player (I think - can someone clarify this). They should be allowed to rejoin their club of origin if desirable.

point 28 - not strictly true I think - EP and Peel colts remains untouched. Perhaps the term "indirectly" is more appropriate here.

point 29 - we wish - but not the point of the whole exercise - why bother asking?!?

point 30 - While I appreciate the impact clubs will feel losing AFL listed players, they have already been paid for them and have had "free" service of them since being drafted. With this known they have a whole season to consider which up and coming players can fill gaps left by leaving players. Not ideal but better than last time.