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Bob wrote:

Perth were doing it wrong clearly! You cheat the cap to win flags not second last.

So Perth cheated did they? You GURU you.
The only thing they got picked up on was the Fringe Benefit Tax for a payment the WAFC already knew about. 
You GOOSE.

Plenty of those doing intellectual gymnastics to justify the breaches and say the penalties are OTT were piling on SF when we were the first to cop massive two game points deduction.

Its interesting when the boots suddenly on the other foot.

Demons Forever wrote:

Bob wrote:

Perth were doing it wrong clearly! You cheat the cap to win flags not second last.

So Perth cheated did they? You GURU you.
The only thing they got picked up on was the Fringe Benefit Tax for a payment the WAFC already knew about. 
You GOOSE.

Its more than that.

Falied to report FBT in relation to flights the club paid for players. ( this may allso reveal the club has been paying for flights for players as part of a deal)

And 20K in Super Payments not reported - same as EFFC.

 

BC wrote:

If any club, including my own gets whacked for salary cap breaches these days it asks for all it gets.

How hard is it for the CEO or club treasurer to pick up the phone and run the payment of legal fees, flights, FBT or anything else for that matter by the WAFC to understand if it should be included in the salary cap.

It just beggars belief that the clubs didn't know which is what we say every time it happens. Clearly the WAFC is of a similar opinion which is why the penalties are so stiff.

While I don’t disagree that it’s not hard for the CEO or FM or Board members to check in with the WAFC before decisions are made, in reality it seems that clubs are potentially being penalised for ‘breaches’ that were previously not an issue or in other instances honest errors. 

Is FBT something that should be including in the TPP cap? As long as the benefit that the player has received is included in the TPP then FBT is just a taxation requirement that the club as the employer has to meet. 

if legal costs have previously been exempt from the TPP, why are they now being included and were clubs notified? 

The WAFC fines clubs for smallest of indiscretions that have no impact on the integrity of the competition. Heard a story of a FM being fined $3k for a player not filling out an antigambling form before returning from injury mid-season. The player was registered and has been in the WAFL system at the same club for 5+ years. Another club received a $1500 fine for a colts player not being elevated to the senior squad before playing in the Reserves. 

The WAFC must have a good Christmas party with all the fines they collect across the season. 

What I'm hearing is there has been no findings or outcomes. Stay tuned I guess. In the meantime I bet every club trying to recruit the same players we are talking to are saying have you heard Perth are being investigated? Their season could be over before it starts. Thank you where do I sign?

It is highly damaging to the competition and TT we finally find common ground. It sounds like a cluster fuck for WAFL clubs to get their head around. Basically you need to have lawyers and accountants overseeing everything which is financially impractical for WAFL clubs.

Tiger Tales wrote:

BC wrote:

If any club, including my own gets whacked for salary cap breaches these days it asks for all it gets.

How hard is it for the CEO or club treasurer to pick up the phone and run the payment of legal fees, flights, FBT or anything else for that matter by the WAFC to understand if it should be included in the salary cap.

It just beggars belief that the clubs didn't know which is what we say every time it happens. Clearly the WAFC is of a similar opinion which is why the penalties are so stiff.

While I don’t disagree that it’s not hard for the CEO or FM or Board members to check in with the WAFC before decisions are made, in reality it seems that clubs are potentially being penalised for ‘breaches’ that were previously not an issue or in other instances honest errors. 

Is FBT something that should be including in the TPP cap? As long as the benefit that the player has received is included in the TPP then FBT is just a taxation requirement that the club as the employer has to meet. 

if legal costs have previously been exempt from the TPP, why are they now being included and were clubs notified? 

The WAFC fines clubs for smallest of indiscretions that have no impact on the integrity of the competition. Heard a story of a FM being fined $3k for a player not filling out an antigambling form before returning from injury mid-season. The player was registered and has been in the WAFL system at the same club for 5+ years. Another club received a $1500 fine for a colts player not being elevated to the senior squad before playing in the Reserves. 

The WAFC must have a good Christmas party with all the fines they collect across the season. 

Has the benefit in this case the flights been included? 

Also did the club pay the FBT for the player/s and fail to declare that ?

Quite a bit unknown at this stage.

 

Give it a rest Bazza.
We know about the paper bags SF have been using for decades.

I'm sorry but I agree with Bob, Salary cap breeches indicate you paid over the allowance which I believe was 245K and you still came last.

FMD what are they thinking spending like that and coming second last.

Thats no crack at any demon's member on here, it's more a crack at the club paying that much hard earnt members money to not success - it beggars belief they are in this conversation.

I think someone said it earlier might as well go all in buy a flag and enjoy getting busted

Well what's interesting is Townsend among others have always said Perth spends well under the cap less than anyone in the league.

I'll probably cop some flak and be accused of drawing a long bow, but I relate our salary cap issues to the well worn topic of our poor zones and lack of local talent. On top of that, we almost never get good players from rival WAFL clubs - it tends to be players who feel they will get more game time/preferred position at Perth. So that leaves us with no choice but to look to the Eastern States which involves travel costs that aren't incurred with locals. In 2024 we had Clarke, Simpson, Constable, and Chaplin in their first year in Perth, Thompson, Howard and Shannon the second, then some players who have settled in WA: Cary, Schlensog and Stubbs. Then there was our FIFO psycho coach. It is highly likely that the contracts for a number of those players included flights home, during byes, etc.