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therealswansman wrote:

Bazza wrote:

therealswansman wrote:

Bazza wrote:

gtrxuone wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Stand the Test wrote: Still waiting for an example of sanfl going it alone on anything significant in say last 30 years.

So the sanfl didn’t want to join the afl but were ‘forced’ to do so by one of its clubs??? Solid organisation doing its own thing!


And yes I realised the no port thing this year (their 150th) was ‘out of sanfl’s control’, that is kind of my point.

Purchased Football Park - WAFL never bought anything
Refused the VFL to join the expanded Comp in 1987 and pay the rip off fee - WAFL Joined and paid huge money and went bust 2 years later.
SANFL Crows join and at a much reduced licence fee years later.
SANFL Clubs allowed to have pokies ensuring financial streams
SANFL Crowds remain double that of WAFL on average.
SANFL do deal with SACA shared ownership of Adelaide Oval, sell Football Park for huge profit as land, Play SANFL GF At Adelaide Oval free of charge - WAFC do deal with Optus and now have to pay $100K plus to use it for WAFL GF , no GF at Optus this year.
SANFL sells Crows licence back to AFL for millions, decouples and establishes future fund. WAFL allows WCE to amass 50 Million in Bank - no control over Eagles funds and is currently the subject of parliamentary inquiry.

I could go on....

Good reply Bazza.I think the 35 million the AFL paid for the Crows licence. The SANFL put in to the Adelaide Oval redevelopment.. That must be why they get such a good deal at AO.Or there part owners of AO.
Did the Crows pay 2 million to join the AFL.$500,000 by 4 years.West Coast and Brisbane played double up front.

WAFL via Indian Pacific and Brisbane Bears paid a mint for the Licence, they got ripped off by the VFL, within 2 years both Indian Pacfic (WAFL) and the Bears were bankrupt.

The land at Football Park will earn the SANFL $71 Mill.

They sold the crows and power back to the AFL for a total deal of $61 Mill, 18 Mill for the licences plus 40 odd in agreed extra funding as part of the deal.

Cashed up big time.

Former Swans Directors put forward a similar plan to the WAFL presidents to to take to the WAFC together with selling Subi Oval lease, (which by the way is what the annual Grant is for- giving up Subi) and slashing the WAFC.
We too could have been cashed up except the plan was seen as too radical for the backward thinkers at the WAFL clubs.

I don;'t think the lease at Subi would of been worth $71 Million.

It was worth far more than that. Still had 70 years to run.

Leases arent really worth that much in the end, The WCE were always going to move to Optus whether they liked it or not, the WAFL didnt own a single square inch of Subiaco Oval and thats what counts when it comes to selling,

Bazza wrote:

therealswansman wrote:

Bazza wrote:

therealswansman wrote:

Bazza wrote:

gtrxuone wrote:

Bazza wrote:

Stand the Test wrote: Still waiting for an example of sanfl going it alone on anything significant in say last 30 years.

So the sanfl didn’t want to join the afl but were ‘forced’ to do so by one of its clubs??? Solid organisation doing its own thing!


And yes I realised the no port thing this year (their 150th) was ‘out of sanfl’s control’, that is kind of my point.

Purchased Football Park - WAFL never bought anything
Refused the VFL to join the expanded Comp in 1987 and pay the rip off fee - WAFL Joined and paid huge money and went bust 2 years later.
SANFL Crows join and at a much reduced licence fee years later.
SANFL Clubs allowed to have pokies ensuring financial streams
SANFL Crowds remain double that of WAFL on average.
SANFL do deal with SACA shared ownership of Adelaide Oval, sell Football Park for huge profit as land, Play SANFL GF At Adelaide Oval free of charge - WAFC do deal with Optus and now have to pay $100K plus to use it for WAFL GF , no GF at Optus this year.
SANFL sells Crows licence back to AFL for millions, decouples and establishes future fund. WAFL allows WCE to amass 50 Million in Bank - no control over Eagles funds and is currently the subject of parliamentary inquiry.

I could go on....

Good reply Bazza.I think the 35 million the AFL paid for the Crows licence. The SANFL put in to the Adelaide Oval redevelopment.. That must be why they get such a good deal at AO.Or there part owners of AO.
Did the Crows pay 2 million to join the AFL.$500,000 by 4 years.West Coast and Brisbane played double up front.

WAFL via Indian Pacific and Brisbane Bears paid a mint for the Licence, they got ripped off by the VFL, within 2 years both Indian Pacfic (WAFL) and the Bears were bankrupt.

The land at Football Park will earn the SANFL $71 Mill.

They sold the crows and power back to the AFL for a total deal of $61 Mill, 18 Mill for the licences plus 40 odd in agreed extra funding as part of the deal.

Cashed up big time.

Former Swans Directors put forward a similar plan to the WAFL presidents to to take to the WAFC together with selling Subi Oval lease, (which by the way is what the annual Grant is for- giving up Subi) and slashing the WAFC.
We too could have been cashed up except the plan was seen as too radical for the backward thinkers at the WAFL clubs.

I don;'t think the lease at Subi would of been worth $71 Million.

It was worth far more than that. Still had 70 years to run.

Leases arent really worth that much in the end, The WCE were always going to move to Optus whether they liked it or not, the WAFL didnt own a single square inch of Subiaco Oval and thats what counts when it comes to selling,

Selling he leasehold would have allowed any purchaser to negotiate for a whole new use of the land.
Many Valuers estimated a value of $100m plus.

Durtle wrote: Easy Perth wanted to join the VFL before the West Coast Eagles but the WAFL said no, fearing that East Perth would become a dominant force.

That was 1980, and the WAFL and VFL shut it down.

Port and Norwood were also interested early, it ended up in a legal dispute with Port having to pay a fine to the SANFL.

In 1986 WA and SA were asked to joing and pay 4 Mill up front SA told them to jam it.

In the end the WAFL paid 4 Million and teh VFL having lost SA approached some suckers in Qld who like the WAFL paid the VFL 4 Mill up front, the original deal was 400K over a number of years, but Fitzroy and Footscray refused to vote for it unless they got 600K up front, so sure enough the WAFL agreed to it.

2 Years later the WAFL and Eales had lost 13 Million, they had even agreed to pay the travel costs of VFL clubs to WA. I kid you not.

in 1991 The SANFL got the crows in for 1.5Mill.

Bazza wrote:

Durtle wrote: Easy Perth wanted to join the VFL before the West Coast Eagles but the WAFL said no, fearing that East Perth would become a dominant force.

That was 1980, and the WAFL and VFL shut it down.

Port and Norwood were also interested early, it ended up in a legal dispute with Port having to pay a fine to the SANFL.

In 1986 WA and SA were asked to joing and pay 4 Mill up front SA told them to jam it.

In the end the WAFL paid 4 Million and teh VFL having lost SA approached some suckers in Qld who like the WAFL paid the VFL 4 Mill up front, the original deal was 400K over a number of years, but Fitzroy and Footscray refused to vote for it unless they got 600K up front, so sure enough the WAFL agreed to it.

2 Years later the WAFL and Eales had lost 13 Million, they had even agreed to pay the travel costs of VFL clubs to WA. I kid you not.

in 1991 The SANFL got the crows in for 1.5Mill.

East Perth were the first but West Perth were in it not long after - the WANFL threatened to expel clubs over it and it was buried for a few years

even the so-called 'crowning achievement' of the SANF -- Football Park -- was a stuff up in the end. They only went there because of Bradman and the SACA not out of some fantastic vision. It has ended up costing them a lot of money once it became obvious that the victorian version of PA was unable to fill the ground.

Essentially they had to sell everything back to the SACA, the government plus the Victorians to save themselves; old Donald would be laughing his what sits off.

stt: good one, I was unaware of all that.

Stand the Test wrote: Yes I had a read of their last three annual reports today. The sanfl is losing money hand over fist due to it pouring a shedload of money into Adelaide oval redevelopment and the oval revenues being way way down on expectations and not just because of covid.

Football park is on the books as an asset but re revenue they are banking on hotel ownership. Crikey.

Also they send all their revenue to the sanfl clubs for, and I quote, debt reduction. Clubs must have dug themselves into massive holes.

Do some research boys. SA people love their sanfl clubs in greater numbers than us but it is all downhill from there.

i think glenelg owed $2 million a few years back which would be paid off when they sold football park.

Stand the Test wrote: Yes I had a read of their last three annual reports today. The sanfl is losing money hand over fist due to it pouring a shedload of money into Adelaide oval redevelopment and the oval revenues being way way down on expectations and not just because of covid.

Football park is on the books as an asset but re revenue they are banking on hotel ownership. Crikey.

Also they send all their revenue to the sanfl clubs for, and I quote, debt reduction. Clubs must have dug themselves into massive holes.

Do some research boys. SA people love their sanfl clubs in greater numbers than us but it is all downhill from there.

Bollocks, SANFL has asssets of $99.5 Million, yes its on target to debt reduction and is still receiving income from Adelaide Oval, and it is not costing them to host every final there unlike the WAFL at Optus.

What are the assets of the actual WAFL as an independent entity? SFA!

Its just had one of its oldest clubs WPFC walk away from a mountain of debt, giving creditors 2 cents in the dollar including the Australian Tax Payer, in a complete embarrassment to the brand.

Peel are bailed out on a regular basis ad a basket case.

Most of the other clubs a year to year propositions financially with zero indepedence away from the WAFC.

The whole lot are being dragged up before the State Parliamentary Commission of enquiringy to find out where the money is being drained and why tax payers are pumping millions into it. They have a hide given it was the state Gov that bailed them out and gifted them the 99 year lease at Subi for SFA to bailthe morons out of the 13 Million dollar Indian Pacific fail, debt on the piece of shit two tier stand and financial incompetence of the clowns that had run for years.



And you reckon SANFL has problems.

Interesting debate this the WAFC vs SANFL?

At the end of the day one State League had-
1-A full proper home & away season starting in June and ending in October
2-Will have ALL finals plus the GF at the world class Adelaide Oval in front of nearly 30,000
3-Have a larger player salary cap per season (approx $125k more than the other State League)
4-Had the foresight to own & build their own stadium in the 1970s and not have just 1 club based there unlike here with their own bar and seating to take full advantage of all of the perks associated with it including all finals, GFs, State Of Origin games, afl games each weekend there for their 2 teams, international rules games, major concerts, monster trucks, festivals etc and from those perks 1 club was able to bank millions, buy the best players available from outside the afl, win 10 flags, play finals virtually every year and then have to have recruiting restrictions placed on them
5-Were then able to negotiate a good deal to move back to Adelaide Oval and share with the SACA and play all their finals games there in front of full houses at minimal cost and not at outdated suburban venues
6-Are able to sell off the no longer used Football Park they owned in West Lakes near the coast for a motza to developers

I will leave it up to you to decide which is the better run organisation with an actual focus on their 143yo Premier State League competition and not just the 2 afl clubs based in their particular state!

Beasley Hutton wrote: Interesting debate this the WAFC vs SANFL?

At the end of the day one State League had-
1-A full proper home & away season starting in June and ending in October
2-Will have ALL finals plus the GF at the world class Adelaide Oval in front of nearly 30,000
3-Have a larger player salary cap per season (approx $125k more than the other State League)
4-Had the foresight to own & build their own stadium in the 1970s and not have just 1 club based there with their own bar and seating to take full advantage of all of the perks associated with it including all finals, GFs, State Of Origin games, afl games each weekend there for 2 their teams, international rules games, major concerts, monster trucks, festivals etc
5-Were then able to negotiate a good deal to move back to Adelaide Oval and share with SACA and play all finals games there in front of full houses at minimal cost
6-Are able to sell off the no longer used Football Park they owned for a motza to developers

I will leave it up to you to decide which is the better run organisation with an actual focus on their 143yo Premier State League competition and not just the 2 afl clubs based in their particular state!

yeah not hard to work out SANFL bought and built Football Park in 1971 for a total of 6.6 Mill which they paid off in full, meanwhile the WAFL built the sub standard 3 and 2 tier stand at Subi on land they didnt own and with borrowed money they never repaid and sent them bust.