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yolo swaggins wrote:

mikeh wrote: And also the irony of West Coast supporters coming on here and slagging off on the Dockers and questioning their commitment to Fremantle . So the Eagles spiritual home is.......? Scarborough beach perhaps? At least Fremantle is a geographical location with a postcode.

What a pointless and stupid comment.

You're right there Yolo. I was just trying to be sarcastic about the other comments having a crack at Fremantle not having their celebration at Fremantle when in reality every AFL club is a corporate entity based in a large city (which they have to be to survive) and any links with their original suburb are fairly tenuous at best in my view. Obviously I need to work on my sarcasm skills.

joan trieste wrote:

Swandog wrote: Fremantle isn't representative of Fremantle as we keep hearing in the media etc etc, it is utter bullshit!, they are a big business with fans from all over, the only sides that represent the area of Fremantle are South Freo and East Freo, always have and always will be, as Bazza said it is just a name

Totally agree with swandog. The dockers are not very fremantle, they are not a real club, just a business organisation marketed to represent fremantle.

Fremantle has had a long association with aussie rules football because for over 100 years it has been represented by two strong clubs in the w.a.f.l. The dockers have had to "borrow" from the rich footballing tradition and history associated with Fremantle because of course they don't have any themselves being one of the least successful clubs in the league.

JT perhaps you can do some research and come up with the following facts:

(i) for each of the 18 clubs in the AFL how long were they in the competition before they played in their first GF;

(ii) how many years before they won their first GF;

(iii) how many premiership have each of the clubs won since the Dockers entered the competition in 1995. In doing so perhaps you can place the teams alongside Freo who are and I quote 'the least successful clubs in the league'.

To help you along the way I believe Hawthorn started in 1902 and won their first GF in 1961.

swan42 wrote:

joan trieste wrote:

Swandog wrote: Fremantle isn't representative of Fremantle as we keep hearing in the media etc etc, it is utter bullshit!, they are a big business with fans from all over, the only sides that represent the area of Fremantle are South Freo and East Freo, always have and always will be, as Bazza said it is just a name

Totally agree with swandog. The dockers are not very fremantle, they are not a real club, just a business organisation marketed to represent fremantle.

Fremantle has had a long association with aussie rules football because for over 100 years it has been represented by two strong clubs in the w.a.f.l. The dockers have had to "borrow" from the rich footballing tradition and history associated with Fremantle because of course they don't have any themselves being one of the least successful clubs in the league.

JT perhaps you can do some research and come up with the following facts:

(i) for each of the 18 clubs in the AFL how long were they in the competition before they played in their first GF;

(ii) how many years before they won their first GF;

(iii) how many premiership have each of the clubs won since the Dockers entered the competition in 1995. In doing so perhaps you can place the teams alongside Freo who are and I quote 'the least successful clubs in the league'.

To help you along the way I believe Hawthorn started in 1902 and won their first GF in 1961.

In all honestly I dont think you can compare the modern game, corporate structures, teams and performance of now and say hawthorn of 1902, fact is in the modern AFL ear Port Brisbane and Swans Eagles Crows as newcomers have been more successful than the dockers, they have underperormed and there is no getting around it.

i think your grasping at purple straws..

thats if you are a dockers fan, i thought you had walk away since they shafted the wafl over the host club deal..

must be the band wagon thing

Anyway Swan, this threads about the dockers hanging out at Subi rather than Freo,, stay on topic..Im interested on your thoughts on that?

Bazza, wats with the hatred of my Fremantle Dockers.i hav read so much crap that u need to s art explaining becoz wat u do post is mostly unfactual toss.

dogman wrote: Bazza, wats with the hatred of my Fremantle Dockers.i hav read so much crap that u need to s art explaining becoz wat u do post is mostly unfactual toss.

I didn't start the thread, so don't know what your on about perhaps just having a toss yourself and its it a fact that they went back to subi and not freo - so what is the need to explain, but now that you ask - I have no love for the AFL and particuarly either the eagles or the dockers with their history over the WAFL and now the host club deal, and unlike some I'm not a bandwagon jumper.

Anyway the season over is over, move on champ. lets hope South/WAFL survives in some shape after being screwed over via the host club deal.

How many "clubs" are actually clubs in the AFL? I know most NRL clubs are owned. Most notabiliy South Sydney - Russell Crowe, Newcasle Knights - Nathan Tinkler.

Mike.

Bazza wrote:

swan42 wrote:

joan trieste wrote:

Swandog wrote: Fremantle isn't representative of Fremantle as we keep hearing in the media etc etc, it is utter bullshit!, they are a big business with fans from all over, the only sides that represent the area of Fremantle are South Freo and East Freo, always have and always will be, as Bazza said it is just a name

Totally agree with swandog. The dockers are not very fremantle, they are not a real club, just a business organisation marketed to represent fremantle.

Fremantle has had a long association with aussie rules football because for over 100 years it has been represented by two strong clubs in the w.a.f.l. The dockers have had to "borrow" from the rich footballing tradition and history associated with Fremantle because of course they don't have any themselves being one of the least successful clubs in the league.

JT perhaps you can do some research and come up with the following facts:

(i) for each of the 18 clubs in the AFL how long were they in the competition before they played in their first GF;

(ii) how many years before they won their first GF;

(iii) how many premiership have each of the clubs won since the Dockers entered the competition in 1995. In doing so perhaps you can place the teams alongside Freo who are and I quote 'the least successful clubs in the league'.

To help you along the way I believe Hawthorn started in 1902 and won their first GF in 1961.

In all honestly I dont think you can compare the modern game, corporate structures, teams and performance of now and say hawthorn of 1902, fact is in the modern AFL ear Port Brisbane and Swans Eagles Crows as newcomers have been more successful than the dockers, they have underperormed and there is no getting around it.

i think your grasping at purple straws..

thats if you are a dockers fan, i thought you had walk away since they shafted the wafl over the host club deal..

must be the band wagon thing

I am able to have a reasoned and reasonable discussion despite my angst and anger over the host club alignment. Hence my ability to highlight the flaws in the Liberal Party philosophy.

To clarify a couple of your points:

(i) of the expansion clubs there was only one expansion club which did not receive assistance, through priority picks etc; that team was Fremantle.

(ii) the Eagles was formed from a WAFL competition which was extremely strong as evidenced by its successes in interstate matches leading up to the Eagles' formation.

(iii) the Fremantle team was not afforded that luxury having to construct at team predominantly from a gutted WAFL competition.

With respect to the celebration at Subi rather than Freo, I would think the most logical explanation would be that the presentation of the players from one of the stands at Subi would allow for greater spectator viewing than that afforded at Freo. Another reasonable explanation would be that Subi represented a more central location for all the Dockers' members and supporters. Thirdly, I would have expected that if the Dockers had won there would have most likely been a civic reception and/or parade in the heart of Freo.

If thats a logical explanation on the use of subi, I would hate to hear an illogical one.

the fact is overwhelmingly they should of been welcomed back to fremantle,,

given 40,000 had turned up there saturday.

a very very bad piece of marketing by the dockers, but not untypical.

Bazza maybe you should just worry about your bulldogs mate, You upset that the SFFC bad didnt turn a profit by Freo having their family day at Subi?????

As you have said previously in this post the Eagles and Dockers are run by the WAFL, guess who would have had the final say in where the Dockers went on Sunday?

Subi has far better facilities than Freo and im not talking about a couple of portable toilets. By going to Subi the players had access to a private function room where they could then go onto the balcony and speak with the supporters. No facilities at Freo to do that is there? The club rooms would collapse if there were 40 odd people on the balcony there.

By having the players in that private room the players were afforded the privacy they needed, the last thing they wanted was every snapper head in Perth telling them bad luck and you will get them next year. That might be a true fact but trust me when you have just lost a GF and put all that effort into your season thats the last thing you need.

Also with mulitiple exits at Subi players and admin staff were able to get in and out of the ground without getting mobbed by fans. Cant do that at Freo.

So based around the fact Subi has better viewing facilities than Freo, Subi has suitable function rooms where the players could spend time with fans but be afforded privacy and based on the fact that WAFC runs both the eagles and the dockers there is no issues with the decision to hold the family day at Subi.

Interestingly Geelong had a family day after their last game and it wasnt at skilled stadium, it was at another venue in Geelong. Not using your own ground for a family day is a common thing in the AFL.

Please do some further research into this topic before you bore us all further, Understand the facts of a decision before you critise it

Oh and FYI mate Im a hawks fan I have no interest in supporting Freo, but I have no issues with where the family day was based upon decent facts.