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Freezin wrote: gtr, Dennis played in Carlton's 87 premiership side in his debut season, Bain made his Fitzroy debut in 89 mate....RL, Papotto was the teams only ruckman back in my Maylands U/12 side and dominated....at Cyril Jackson SHS he rucked from memory in the interschool footy clashes between my school Mt Lawley and his school CJ.

I remember Johnny Ironmonger coming down to my Mt,Lawley FC u/16s training one night, he then proceeded to tell us we needed to improve our skills,, in all honesty we were rubbish, so I guess big John was just trying to be succinctly diplomatic.

Think we have spoke about this before Freeze.Yourself ,me +Royal Lucky all played in the EP zone with all those players who went on to Expanded VFL..Bain played for Brisbane Lions+Fitzroy.East Perth 1985-88 ,-72 games..Christian+Starcavitch 1990 Magpies..

Beasley Hutton wrote:

royallucky wrote: Besides the returning ex bulldog Stan Magro the only WAFL player of note i recall recruiting was Subi's John Dimmer,where as we lost Larry Kickett,John Hayes,Michalzyck,Paul Arnold,Peter Spencer,John Mcguire,Chris Allen,Shane Cocker, Greg Carpenter,Kevin Sparks,Peter Thorne,Willie Roe,Craig Edwards,John Scott,John Nolan to other WAFL clubs,some playing in premierships and one winning a Sandover,as well the champion Steven Curtis going to Port adelaide,and Wayne Otway to Essendon.

RL no doubt EP lost some talent in the early 1980s when Mal Atwell came in as President and immediately cut player wages to stem the financial bleeding that was happening at Perth Oval at the time.
From the above though the highlighted did end up back at EP...after Atwell had left of course, whilst Otway came straight back from Essendon in 84.
EP did recruit players from other WAFL clubs around that same time but probably more those who were not getting a regular game at their original WAFL clubs-

CL- Clayton Lewis, Dean Winning
EF- Mark Shaw, Peter Hofner
PE- John Doyle, Murray Couper
SU- John Dimmer, Alex Hamilton (back), Wayne Loxley, Greg Kelly, John Hall, Brian Cook
SF- Ross Kerr, Robert Solin, Stan Magro (via Collingwood)
SD- Frank Wilson, Alby Smith, Grant Edwards
WP- John McTaggart, Mal Bennett

Interstate- Peter Thorne, Ian Scrimshaw, Kevin O'Keefe, Dennis Collins, Brett Stephens, Tom Smith, Brendan Kavanagh, Gary Sheldon, Steve Irons, Peter Ivanoff, David Wing, Mark O'Hurley, Kevin McGuire, Phil McCormack, Peter Wright

Yes B.H. Peter Thorne and Brett Stephens were definitely the pick of the E.S.recruits,and John Dimmer easily the best WAFL recruit,but our debits in player talent far outweighed our credit.

gtrxuone wrote: I think EP made the right call on Big Ron.BR slotted in nicely at EF as Captain \Coach.
As mentioned EP had no shortage of talented big men around there club in that era.Ironmonger a Sandover winner.Edwards,Cocker+Big Alex I.
Important to remember EP had a plum metropolitan zone in the 1960's,70's+80's.Colts+Ressies always contending for premierships.And a league team that may of missed finals 2 times in 20 years from the early 60's till around 1983.
Pretty sure back in 1986 just before West Coast under McNeil.Ep may of won the last 5 games of that season.That era of players would of probably won a Wafl GF. But it all changed after we joined the expanded VFL.Pretty sure at least 10 players from that side where playing VFL the following season.

They were not the only team to lose players at the end of 1986 GTR.
Yep EP lost Dennis, Christian, Starcevich, DaRui (and Stephens back to VIC) over East and a couple to WCE- Ishchenko, Peos, Bartlett (1 game, played mostly at EP in 87).
Bain left in 89 whilst Clape didnt debut in the WAFL until 1988.

Compare that to the likes of-
SF- Worsfold, Matera, Hart, Dorotich, Winmar, Bairstow
CL- Lewis, Malaxos, Davidson, Miles, O'Connell, Mitchell, Hepburn,
EF- Brennan, Bennett, Mainwaring, Lockyer, Wrensted, Harding, Wilson
SU- Keene, D.Lamb, MacNish, O'Loughlin, Scott, Zanotti, Dean, Sells, Crutchfield.
...they probably didnt fare that bad to be honest!

good posts men, thanks. Perhaps the move to the WACA upset the club?

Beasley Hutton wrote:

gtrxuone wrote: I think EP made the right call on Big Ron.BR slotted in nicely at EF as Captain \Coach.
As mentioned EP had no shortage of talented big men around there club in that era.Ironmonger a Sandover winner.Edwards,Cocker+Big Alex I.
Important to remember EP had a plum metropolitan zone in the 1960's,70's+80's.Colts+Ressies always contending for premierships.And a league team that may of missed finals 2 times in 20 years from the early 60's till around 1983.
Pretty sure back in 1986 just before West Coast under McNeil.Ep may of won the last 5 games of that season.That era of players would of probably won a Wafl GF. But it all changed after we joined the expanded VFL.Pretty sure at least 10 players from that side where playing VFL the following season.

They were not the only team to lose players at the end of 1986 GTR.
Yep EP lost Dennis, Christian, Starcevich, DaRui (and Stephens back to VIC) over East and a couple to WCE- Ishchenko, Peos, Bartlett (1 game, played mostly at EP in 87).
Bain left in 89 whilst Clape didnt debut in the WAFL until 1988.

Compare that to the likes of-
SF- Worsfold, Matera, Hart, Dorotich, Winmar, Bairstow
CL- Lewis, Malaxos, Davidson, Miles, O'Connell, Mitchell, Hepburn,
EF- Brennan, Bennett, Mainwaring, Lockyer, Wrensted, Harding, Wilson
SU- Keene, D.Lamb, MacNish, O'Loughlin, Scott, Zanotti, Dean, Sells, Crutchfield.
...they probably didnt fare that bad to be honest!

Quite right BH but what we did not have was the depth from our district to cover the losses like Claremont and EF did! I had started at the club in 85 and saw what was happening with our development and colts process!

Grump wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote:

gtrxuone wrote: I think EP made the right call on Big Ron.BR slotted in nicely at EF as Captain \Coach.
As mentioned EP had no shortage of talented big men around there club in that era.Ironmonger a Sandover winner.Edwards,Cocker+Big Alex I.
Important to remember EP had a plum metropolitan zone in the 1960's,70's+80's.Colts+Ressies always contending for premierships.And a league team that may of missed finals 2 times in 20 years from the early 60's till around 1983.
Pretty sure back in 1986 just before West Coast under McNeil.Ep may of won the last 5 games of that season.That era of players would of probably won a Wafl GF. But it all changed after we joined the expanded VFL.Pretty sure at least 10 players from that side where playing VFL the following season.

They were not the only team to lose players at the end of 1986 GTR.
Yep EP lost Dennis, Christian, Starcevich, DaRui (and Stephens back to VIC) over East and a couple to WCE- Ishchenko, Peos, Bartlett (1 game, played mostly at EP in 87).
Bain left in 89 whilst Clape didnt debut in the WAFL until 1988.

Compare that to the likes of-
SF- Worsfold, Matera, Hart, Dorotich, Winmar, Bairstow
CL- Lewis, Malaxos, Davidson, Miles, O'Connell, Mitchell, Hepburn,
EF- Brennan, Bennett, Mainwaring, Lockyer, Wrensted, Harding, Wilson
SU- Keene, D.Lamb, MacNish, O'Loughlin, Scott, Zanotti, Dean, Sells, Crutchfield.
...they probably didnt fare that bad to be honest!

Quite right BH but what we did not have was the depth from our district to cover the losses like Claremont and EF did! I had started at the club in 85 and saw what was happening with our development and colts process!

Yes SD were much the same if not worse Grump, our Colts struggled to win 1 game a year back in the late 80s.
Funnily enough CL & EF are still equal to the best metro zones so nothing much has changed in 33 years.

I am always in a dilemma with the EP sides of the early 80s, part of me thinks they under achieved a bit. Did John Doyle get injurred?

ArkRoyal wrote: I am always in a dilemma with the EP sides of the early 80s, part of me thinks they under achieved a bit. Did John Doyle get injurred?

I don't think we under achieved,as Swans belted us in the 1980 prelim.and had already gone past us and although we played finals,81,82,84,we were steadily declining particularly with our fragile financial position.

Beasley Hutton wrote:

gtrxuone wrote: I think EP made the right call on Big Ron.BR slotted in nicely at EF as Captain \Coach.
As mentioned EP had no shortage of talented big men around there club in that era.Ironmonger a Sandover winner.Edwards,Cocker+Big Alex I.
Important to remember EP had a plum metropolitan zone in the 1960's,70's+80's.Colts+Ressies always contending for premierships.And a league team that may of missed finals 2 times in 20 years from the early 60's till around 1983.
Pretty sure back in 1986 just before West Coast under McNeil.Ep may of won the last 5 games of that season.That era of players would of probably won a Wafl GF. But it all changed after we joined the expanded VFL.Pretty sure at least 10 players from that side where playing VFL the following season.

They were not the only team to lose players at the end of 1986 GTR.
Yep EP lost Dennis, Christian, Starcevich, DaRui (and Stephens back to VIC) over East and a couple to WCE- Ishchenko, Peos, Bartlett (1 game, played mostly at EP in 87).
Bain left in 89 whilst Clape didnt debut in the WAFL until 1988.

Compare that to the likes of-
SF- Worsfold, Matera, Hart, Dorotich, Winmar, Bairstow
CL- Lewis, Malaxos, Davidson, Miles, O'Connell, Mitchell, Hepburn,
EF- Brennan, Bennett, Mainwaring, Lockyer, Wrensted, Harding, Wilson
SU- Keene, D.Lamb, MacNish, O'Loughlin, Scott, Zanotti, Dean, Sells, Crutchfield.
...they probably didnt fare that bad to be honest!

Hi BH-When the club's voted in 86 to join the expanded VFL.Did they know how much they would get raped with player loss.

Not all the WANFL clubs voted in favour there were serious concerns raised by some

The stop of constant raids that was spruiked didn't happen - the floodgates opened fully

those not contacted went East to Victorian clubs in droves