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You are big on clarity BC so let me spell it out. Whatever other people post on their club’s thread, while interesting, is completely irrelevant to the main game, winning a flag, while subi’s ridiculous dominance of the competition continues. SD could be coached by Clarkson, TI could somehow be chemically restored to his prime and rucking for SF, whatever whatever and it would make no difference given that one side never loses. If subi supporters miraculously recognised that what is happening is totally abnormal in Australian rules football and said it’s not really too good for the comp is it then maybe we can get to work on fixing it. And I will gladly go away.

I've come out on here many times and said Subi's current dominance is not good for the comp but you selectively choose not to accept it because you're obsessed and in a sad, sick kind of way.

No that will do me. Bye bye.

I know I shouldn’t enter the “Subi” argument, but what the hey.
It’s true that Subi has had a large influence on the demise of the WAFL with their opulence and use of. One of my very few interests I have at the new seasonI is who will play Subi in the GF. I’ve read all the Why’s and wherefores, but I haven’t seen a solution to all the problems people have raised.
What do people want? Are you expecting Subi to get rid of some of their best players to even out their squad? Are they supposed to go into games
with the aim of losing? Can’t really see why people want to flog their club for doing what we supporters want our clubs to do and
win flags. Maybe I’m looking at it too simplistically.

My view on this Shark58 has always been that the WAFC's inaction and incompetence has been the cause of the lop sided competition.Subiaco are just taking advantage of the situation as any club would. Steps could have been taken in 2015 when it was obvious that Subiaco were going to dominate. I'm talking about points and salary cap concessions, a reverse draft of ex AFL players going back to the WAFL, at least some attempt at equalisation. Too late now of course.

Mike ...I've suggested in the past that clubs shouldn't be allowed to recruit players from other clubs that finish below them at the end of the preceding season and that includes returning AFL guys. If that had been in place then Harry Marsh could only have gone back to EF this year given they finished last in 2018. Angus Litherland could only have gone to Claremont, SD or Perth in 2017 as his original team Claremont finished 7th in 2016 and so on. Players like Zac Clarke would be fair game as he originated from Victoria and was only playing here after being drafted by Freo but other home grown products should be encouraged to go back to their club of origin or a team below them.

58shark wrote: I know I shouldn’t enter the “Subi” argument, but what the hey.
It’s true that Subi has had a large influence on the demise of the WAFL with their opulence and use of. One of my very few interests I have at the new seasonI is who will play Subi in the GF. I’ve read all the Why’s and wherefores, but I haven’t seen a solution to all the problems people have raised.
What do people want? Are you expecting Subi to get rid of some of their best players to even out their squad? Are they supposed to go into games
with the aim of losing? Can’t really see why people want to flog their club for doing what we supporters want our clubs to do and
win flags. Maybe I’m looking at it too simplistically.

I'm not sure what others like Testes wants either 58. As you say, do critics expect Subi to blow games or not do the best they can? I've pointed out on here before the club is not the regulator and doesn't make up the rules so think any vitriol should be directed at the WAFC as Mike says.

While I agree that the WAFC is mostly to blame, can we absolve Subi completely? Yes, you can say their charter is to be successful. But do they have to go quite as hard as they do with recruiting? A couple of years ago, knowing the consternation Subi's dominance was causing, Schofield made an extraordinarily arrogant comment to the effect that " every off-season I send my recruiters out to scour the country for the best players." Again, you can argue every club should do that, but only Subi can afford to. Would it not be possible for Subi to promote home grown players for 2-3 years rather than continually top up? They have good metro and country zones. That wouldn't amount to tanking or not trying their best, it would simply be a change of philosophy. I think they would still be very competitive even with that kind of policy. But when you have good zones and then add Kitchin, Deal, Newton, Marsh, Lockyer, Litherland, Powell and others you move from competitive to unbeatable. I repeat the issue should be resolved by the WAFC, but I just pose the question whether Subi could assist simply by not pursuing a policy such as that announced by Schofield?

You make some salient points Ted but it's up to the club to be as successful as they can for sponsors, members and supporters and they're subject to the same points and salary caps as every other club...so not sure what you mean by not going as hard. Ex AFL players see Subi as a destination club for a second chance in the big time such as Zac Clarke, Sam Menegola, Josh Deluca so I think you're clutching at straws by suggesting they need to tone down recruiting as they're not doing anything the likes of Perth and EF aren't also doing.

BC, what I am saying is that, yes, members expect success, but the club still sets the agenda. Look at it this way: Subi have played in all but two finals series since 1997. You were by far the dominant team of the last decade. You are about to play in your 6th consecutive grand final this year and waltz to your third consecutive premiership. Last year you had the most dominant season in WAFL history. In light of that, if directors announced that for the next three seasons, Subi were going to pursue a policy of developing local talent, would members really be upset? Would that be inconsistent with pursuing success? Subi has as much interest in the viability of the competition as every other club. If, at the end of this year, you replace Wheeler, Dela, Kitchin and Horsley (assuming they don't play on) with players of equal ability, especially from other WAFL clubs (eg, Shaw or Gault), a pall of despair will settle over every other club.