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If Belarus are joining in then all the sanctions imposed on Russia should be applied to them, destroy their economy and see how long they have an appetite to fight. Then again that psycho Vlad the Invader probably threatened them with nukes if they didn't join in.

SS, all UK sanctions apply to Belarus as well. Not sure about the others.

Very unusual to say the least - that CNN and Fox news are in lock step with reporting of this thing. Very Very unusual
 

The Russians have captured there first Ukraine major city.The Black Sea Port of Kherson.
They almost caused a major catastrophe.With Europes largest Nuclear Power plant,the Zaporizhzia Plant.
After shelling , the plant caught on fire.. Specially trained fire crews where able to put the fire out.Before any nuclear radiation had leaked from the plant..Zaporizhzia supply's the Ukraine with almost half of it's power needs..And the plants staying operational.The Rooskies have not closed it down..

I’m in no way condoning Putin’s attack on Ukraine but is the West no less guilty of propaganda than states like Russia and China? Are we also fed bullshit?

I’ve been given a different perspective from discussions with a Russian friend who has pointed me to a speech by Putin at the Munich Security Conference in 2007 which was attended by representatives of ALL nations including USA and Australia where Putin made a speech that went for over half an hour where he was repeatedly calling for peace and nuclear disarmament.

I’ve also learned that Russia tried to join NATO but were blocked by then US President Bill Clinton. My Russian friend says it’s not in the USA’s interest for Russia to be a part of NATO because then there wouldn’t be any need for NATO and the USA wants conflict because they make a huge fortune in selling ammunition’s and other military equipment and this is a big part of their economy.

Trump boasted himself about a huge arms deal with another nation not sure who that was maybe Israel. So I ask, are we just a pawn in the game of the American machine?

Take a look at this video of Putin’s speech in 2007 where he virtually pleads with the rest of the world for peace and ask yourself why the world would not embrace Russia? Then ask yourself is the West just as guilty of this war in Ukraine for failing to accept Russia into NATO and embracing Putin’s push for world peace in 2007?

Putin speaks in Russian but there is English subtitles.

15 years is a long time DD. The mail is that he's become unhinged in recent times hence sitting at 30 foot long tables etc. Clearly there's 2 sides to the story and Russia is no less culpable invading Ukraine as the US was with Afghanistan but he's still a war criminal in my view.

Putin's heap of crap army is held up and bogged down, meaning he is taking to even more horrendous and ruthless tactics to force his way, Mariupol has copped shocking destruction, he also is sending missiles further west to cut off supplies coming from Poland and NATO raising the stakes, Poland has taken delivery of 2 US Patriot SAM systems for air defence.

DD wrote:

I’m in no way condoning Putin’s attack on Ukraine but is the West no less guilty of propaganda than states like Russia and China? Are we also fed bullshit?

I’ve been given a different perspective from discussions with a Russian friend who has pointed me to a speech by Putin at the Munich Security Conference in 2007 which was attended by representatives of ALL nations including USA and Australia where Putin made a speech that went for over half an hour where he was repeatedly calling for peace and nuclear disarmament.

I’ve also learned that Russia tried to join NATO but were blocked by then US President Bill Clinton. My Russian friend says it’s not in the USA’s interest for Russia to be a part of NATO because then there wouldn’t be any need for NATO and the USA wants conflict because they make a huge fortune in selling ammunition’s and other military equipment and this is a big part of their economy.

Trump boasted himself about a huge arms deal with another nation not sure who that was maybe Israel. So I ask, are we just a pawn in the game of the American machine?

Take a look at this video of Putin’s speech in 2007 where he virtually pleads with the rest of the world for peace and ask yourself why the world would not embrace Russia? Then ask yourself is the West just as guilty of this war in Ukraine for failing to accept Russia into NATO and embracing Putin’s push for world peace in 2007?

Putin speaks in Russian but there is English subtitles.

Sounds like your Russian mates been feeding you a bit of Kremlin Cool Aid DD....

Putin's peace extends to flattening Chechniya, attacking Georgia, stoking a border war in Ukraine ( including killing 28 Australians on board a plane), Invading the Crimean Peninsula and now this horrendous mad stunt. making 3 million women and kids homeless refugees and killing thousands, The Russians alone have lost more in this was than the US lost in the entire Iraq/Afghan  war combined.

BC wrote:

15 years is a long time DD. The mail is that he's become unhinged in recent times hence sitting at 30 foot long tables etc. Clearly there's 2 sides to the story and Russia is no less culpable invading Ukraine as the US was with Afghanistan but he's still a war criminal in my view.

Is that the mail from the US Postal Delivery Service BC? Maybe he is protecting himself from Covid? A perfectly logical explanation and he would know he has a target on his back.

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I’m in no way condoning Putin’s attack on Ukraine but is the West no less guilty of propaganda than states like Russia and China? Are we also fed bullshit?

I’ve been given a different perspective from discussions with a Russian friend who has pointed me to a speech by Putin at the Munich Security Conference in 2007 which was attended by representatives of ALL nations including USA and Australia where Putin made a speech that went for over half an hour where he was repeatedly calling for peace and nuclear disarmament.

I’ve also learned that Russia tried to join NATO but were blocked by then US President Bill Clinton. My Russian friend says it’s not in the USA’s interest for Russia to be a part of NATO because then there wouldn’t be any need for NATO and the USA wants conflict because they make a huge fortune in selling ammunition’s and other military equipment and this is a big part of their economy.

Trump boasted himself about a huge arms deal with another nation not sure who that was maybe Israel. So I ask, are we just a pawn in the game of the American machine?

Take a look at this video of Putin’s speech in 2007 where he virtually pleads with the rest of the world for peace and ask yourself why the world would not embrace Russia? Then ask yourself is the West just as guilty of this war in Ukraine for failing to accept Russia into NATO and embracing Putin’s push for world peace in 2007?

Putin speaks in Russian but there is English subtitles.

Sounds like your Russian mates been feeding you a bit of Kremlin Cool Aid DD....

Putin's peace extends to flattening Chechniya, attacking Georgia, stoking a border war in Ukraine ( including killing 28 Australians on board a plane), Invading the Crimean Peninsula and now this horrendous mad stunt. making 3 million women and kids homeless refugees and killing thousands, The Russians alone have lost more in this was than the US lost in the entire Iraq/Afghan  war combined.

Look at NATO's expansion since 1997 and you can understand Putin's concern. We don't know the history of Russia and Ukraine. It was reported by Fox News Tucker Carlson that Ukraine has 30 chemical and biological factories bankrolled by the US. All I'm saying is don't believe everything you read and see and hear from the West propaganda machine. Maybe you are drinking some of Uncle Sam's Cool Aid Baz?

As i said to my friend as we say in the West, usually the truth lies somewhere in between the bullshit spun from both sides.