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Biden’s latest gaffe when he could not even remember Trump’s first name could actually turn those still in doubt. FMD he called him George. Why would anybody trust a man that has profound dementia issues to manage their security and economy. Given that left wing maniac VP is waiting in the wings to take over I know which party I’d be voting for in November!

ArkRoyal wrote: gtr: yep, well spotted mate, particularly in relation to the steel workers and their opposition to that ridiculous free trade treaty. I had forgotten about that treaty. Sanders would never agree to it.

Ark everyone likes Bernie even Trump does.

Democrats typically vote early and use mail in. Republicans prefer to show up in person. Most polls show exactly that at the moment.

Same as in 2016 except Trump is closer in swing states this time around....

gtr: yep, they both share economic nationalism
tug: true, and that is the big danger for the Dems

Just to highlight the problem the party faces, NC is mentioned a lot as as state it is going to magically win off Trump. This is very very unlikely: Obama more or less did win the state at his most popular, but it was an aberration helped by the Europeans staying home; he lost the state second time around, and Trump certainly beat Clinton last time.

NB: in 2008 Obama won NC by 1448 votes, which was a very good effort indeed.

gtrxuone wrote:

ArkRoyal wrote: gtr: just saw a poll which had Trump winning Pa., the first one I have seen; it is likely to be one of many in the future -- Biden is suppose to be from Pa, is he not?

It was the last debate Ark.Where Biden upset the people of Pennsylvania. If he can't win Pennsylvania, Texas,Florida,Arizona. Sleepy Joe better stay hidden in his basement.

The Dems were never a chance in Texas.

Biden can lose Florida, nut still find a pathway home, thats not the case for Trump , he must win Florida or its all over.

Unholytugboat wrote: Democrats typically vote early and use mail in. Republicans prefer to show up in person. Most polls show exactly that at the moment.

Same as in 2016 except Trump is closer in swing states this time around....

Fact Check

2016 Polling at this point.

National Clinton was 4 points ahead, Biden 9 -10

Swing States
Arizona Trump lead 49 to 44 Current trailing 49 to 54 Less
Florida Clinton 46 to Trump 45 Current Biden 48 Trump 47 Same
Penn Clinton 48 Trump 43 Current Biden 50 Trump 44 Less
Wisconsin Clinton 46 Trump 40 Current Biden 50 Trump 44 Same
Michigan Clinton 50 Trump 44 Current Biden 50 Trump 42 Less

Total Amount of Pre Polls in 2016 was 58 Million.

As of today a total 69 Million have already been cast with a week still to go.

yes, correct Baz, he needs Pa, Ohio and Florida. He should not even be competitive in Pa if the Dems were competent.

From looking at the direction in person voting is trending in Florida. Trump wins Florida quite comfortably.

These record pre-polling figures do not bode well for Trump,and its very doubtful that his simpleton white aryan fan base will get him over the line this time.

ROYAL 2019 wrote: From looking at the direction in person voting is trending in Florida. Trump wins Florida quite comfortably.

In Person pre polls are favouring Republicans slightly , but postals heavily Dems,