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anchorman wrote: I think Blakely has been injured and maybe that is why Lyon hasn't selected him.

YeH he's just come back from a broken toe A/M, picked up 30 possessions for Peel on the weekend so he should be close to a call up.

Hughes, Blakely, Langdon, Collins, Hannath and Smith should all either given a go if not now but definitely after the next three weeks. Strong chance that we could go 0-8. Play Adelaide in Adelaide, GWS in Perth and then the Hawks in Launceston. Hannath and Smith in particular have been on the list for at least three years I think about time IMO that they get given 4-5 games in a row so the call can be made whether they are worth pursuing.

There's a fair few players that have been very good at times for us over the last 4-5 years however I think for some their time is up at Fremantle.

Anyone know the strength of this years draft. Could be worthwhile trying to get as many picks as we can inside the top 40. Though the recruiting hasn't been the best over the last 4 years and maybe the recruiting/football department needs a reshuffle/restructure/new blood.

Not saying we should but just putting it out there and wouldn't mind hearing peoples opinions but what are peoples thoughts on trading Nat Fyfe.

Also if Adelaide are interested in Lachie Neale they have two first round draft picks this year. You would think at least one of them would be on the table.

They would have a reasonable chance against GWS because of that teams appalling record in Perth and the possible mental demons associated with this record. The other two games away will probably get pretty messy for the Dockers. Selection will be interesting because it is still important to have mix of experienced players to guide and teach Blakleys, Weller, Hughes Tucker and Langdon the ins and outs of playing AFL. Then the trade and draft periods for the Dockers this year will be crucial because whatever happens there will be quite a lot of turnover of the list at the end of this year.

anchorman wrote: Mr AFL I think Tanner Smith has been injured for a fair while.He like Michael Apeness were going to be replacements for a couple of the older players, but injury has crippled this happening.
Like you Mike I am sure we will see the list be rebuilt, with a lot being de-listed or traded.That is if we can find trades for any of those who we need to move on.But with us being in this position that we find our selves in now, does that mean we go back to players from elsewhere not waning to come to Fremantle, due to that fact we are going to re-build.
What you say about having to keep some senior players is right also.Lyon himself said that.You can't just fill the side with inexperienced players.
I think we will see Sam Collins play this week.He has had a lot of VFL experience against more AFL players than any others.
I said it before, I think our side over all is far too small.We have players like Sutcliffe and Sheridan, who are not really big bodies, yet we expect them to take on big bodied forwards.

Here is my view on the list for 2017

Ballantyne - possible trade bait
Dawson - won't be traded while Ross is coach
Bennell - long term investment, will add value
Ibbotson -keep
Danyle Pearce - Possible trade bait
Fyfe - keep - is a future captain
Suban -Uncertain future, possible trade or delist
De Boer - trade bait
Walters - keep, another potential captain
Sheridan - keep, not convinced about him though
Griffin - coming towards the end I think
Mzungu - ditto
Weller - keep, needs to be in the team for the rest of 2016
Hughes - keep
Mundy - keep, probably 2 more years after this
Crozier - keep, needs an extended period in the team.
Tucker - keep, a great prospect
Blakely - as per Weller
Taberner - give him an extended run in the team and see if he develops, if not trade
Barlow - keep but on 1 year contract
Mayne - Free agent,may leave
Balic - keep, give him an opportunity
Alex Pearce - Keep
Langdon - keep, more opportunities in 2016
Neale - keep if he wants to stay
Grey - Keep, looks good
Pavlich - Almost certainly retiring at end of 2016
Clarke - Trade bait
Sandilands- 1 year contract for 2017, see how it goes from there.
Hill - Keep
Sutcliffe - keep
Spurr - keep
Apeness - hard to make an assessment because he has been injured so much ( rookie list in 2017?)
Silvagni - trade or delist
Johnson - 1 year contract for 2017
Hannath - As per Tabernar, need to find out if he is up to it, if not trade
Collins - keep and play the guy ASAP
Yarran - needs an opportunity, would keep him for next year
Clancee Pearce - appears to have dropped off the radar, may be trade or delist

Of the rookies Morabito will have to show something in the WAFL to retain his spot, the others haven't really had a chance yet to show their wares.

The guys I have identified as trade bait, doesn't mean I reckon they should all be traded, just if the right swap comes up to benefit both the player and club. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that Fremantles most pressing needs are to identify a replacement for Sandilands, a big forward to replace Pavlich and another tall backman to provide depth for the gap left by Mcpharlin. The midfield looks OK. What Ross needs to in 2016 is to determine if he has the potential replacements in this group or if he needs to look outside and trade. We know that McCarthy is a possibility for next year but if they want to get him they will have to give something significant to GWS.

mikeh wrote:

anchorman wrote: Mr AFL I think Tanner Smith has been injured for a fair while.He like Michael Apeness were going to be replacements for a couple of the older players, but injury has crippled this happening.
Like you Mike I am sure we will see the list be rebuilt, with a lot being de-listed or traded.That is if we can find trades for any of those who we need to move on.But with us being in this position that we find our selves in now, does that mean we go back to players from elsewhere not waning to come to Fremantle, due to that fact we are going to re-build.
What you say about having to keep some senior players is right also.Lyon himself said that.You can't just fill the side with inexperienced players.
I think we will see Sam Collins play this week.He has had a lot of VFL experience against more AFL players than any others.
I said it before, I think our side over all is far too small.We have players like Sutcliffe and Sheridan, who are not really big bodies, yet we expect them to take on big bodied forwards.

Here is my view on the list for 2017

Ballantyne - possible trade bait
Dawson - won't be traded, Ross loves him
Bennell - long term investment, will add value
Ibbotson -keep
Danyle Pearce - Possible trade bait
Fyfe - keep - is a future captain
Suban -Uncertain future, possible trade or delist
De Boer - trade bait
Walters - keep, another potential captain
Sheridan - keep, not convinced about him though
Griffin - coming towards the end I think
Mzungu - ditto
Weller - keep, needs to be in the team for the rest of 2016
Hughes - keep
Mundy - keep, probably 2 more years after this
Crozier - keep, needs an extended period in the team.
Tucker - keep, a great prospect
Blakely - as per Weller
Taberner - give him an extended run in the team and see if he develops, if not trade
Barlow - keep but on 1 year contract
Mayne - Free agent,may leave
Balic - keep, give him an opportunity
Alex Pearce - Keep
Langdon - keep, more opportunities in 2016
Neale - keep if he wants to stay
Grey - Keep, looks good
Pavlich - Almost certainly retiring at end of 2016
Clarke - Trade bait
Sandilands- 1 year contract for 2017, see how it goes from there.
Hill - Keep
Sutcliffe - keep
Spurr - keep
Apeness - hard to make an assessment because he has been injured so much ( rookie list in 2017?)
Silvagni - trade or delist
Johnson - 1 year contract for 2017
Hannath - As per Tabernar, need to find out if he is up to it, if not trade
Collins - keep and play the guy ASAP
Yarran - needs an opportunity, would keep him for next year
Clancee Pearce - appears to have dropped off the radar, may be trade or delist

Of the rookies Morabito will have to show something in the WAFL to retain his spot, the others haven't really had a chance yet to show their wares.

The guys I have identified as trade bait, doesn't mean I reckon they should all be traded, just if the right swap comes up to benefit both the player and club. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that Fremantles most pressing needs are to identify a replacement for Sandilands, a big forward to replace Pavlich and another tall backman to provide depth for the gap left by Mcpharlin. The midfield looks OK. What Ross needs to in 2016 is to determine if he has the potential replacements in this group or if he needs to look outside and trade. We know that McCarthy is a possibility for next year but if they want to get him they will have to give something significant to GWS.

Piss weak analysis.

Keep walters, fyfe and Sandi.thats it.

The rest on the scrap heap.

Easy to make throw away comments like that without having to think about it. Maybe that's a struggle for you sorry.

Pretty much spot on Mike. The list needs to be rejuvenated and anyone who is ordinary or has been given plenty of opportunities and not lived up to their potential needs to go. The only problem is some of them might have lost the currency they might have had 2 or 3 years ago.

Is that Unholy Tugboat or just Unholy Tugger.
Ridiculous statement. The predicted list is pretty right, you could argue over some I suppose.
Freo have the right coach to get through this. It will get worse before it gets better, but they will move on and develope into a good team quicker than some people may think.

mikeh wrote: Easy to make throw away comments like that without having to think about it. Maybe that's a struggle for you sorry.

Or u could put "keep" next to every Mediocre player that got u in this mess and accept mediocrity.

"you could argue over some" - your list is shit. no shining lights, Taberner is a goose at best. Hopefully Morabito gets on the Park.