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of course bot the Eagles and Dockers and for that matter EP and Peel would be entitlled to tell them all to get notted, as the alignment is supposed to be for five years. Some, are saying, I have noticed, that in the agreement there is provision for pulling out with 20 months warning. If so, we should be alright for 2018 at the latest.

the alignment might be for 5 years AR but the WAFC is quite within its rights to set qualification rules to play WAFL finals.

BC: quite true, but that would mean them showing some commonsense and resolve on the matter in the face of possible opposition from the AFL clubs.

Speaking of the alignment.Looks like masssive money punted on Peel today.The GF odds are Subiaco $1.73,,,Peel $1.80....allmost even money now.Interesting to see what the prices are come Sunday arvo.

ArkRoyal wrote: BC: quite true, but that would mean them showing some commonsense and resolve on the matter in the face of possible opposition from the AFL clubs.

good point AR..the sticking point there is the WAFC showing some common sense.

gtrxuone wrote: Speaking of the alignment.Looks like masssive money punted on Peel today.The GF odds are Subiaco $1.73,,,Peel $1.80....allmost even money now.Interesting to see what the prices are come Sunday arvo.

As I predicted GTR, the odds will have it all even or Freo slight favorites.

Just my guess SS that these sportsbetters are Afl punters.Looking for a good bet plunging Peel @ $2.50 early this morning.

Beasley Hutton wrote: Just had a quick look at the seasons where an alignment and part alignment have been in place and it makes for interesting reading.
In only 1 season in the 8 where there has been alignments or part alignments has there not been an alignment side not at least make a Grand Final that being last year (SU vs WP) but the 2 aligned sides finished 3rd & 4th respectively.
I have tabled each year below who were the aligned sides, final ladder position, win-loss record during the home & away season in brackets and a * if made the finals and a X if didnt play finals.

1999- CL-WC 5th (11-9)X, SF-FD 2nd (18-2)*
2000- EP-WC 1st (15-3)*, SF-FD 7th (8-10)X
2001- EP-WC 1st (14-4)*, SF-FD 2nd (13-5)*
2002- EP-WC 1st (13-5)*, SF-FD 6th (9-9)X
2013- EP-WC 2nd (12-8 )*, PT-FD 9th (3-17)X
2014- EP-WC 2nd (16-4)*, PT-FD 8th (4-16)X
2015- EP-WC 3rd (11-9)*, PT-FD 4th (13-7)*
2016- EP-WC 5th (10-10)*, PT-FD 1st/2nd (11-9)*

Hey BH were not Swans partly aligned with the Eagles in 2002.Didnt Richard Taylor play nine games with you.Also didn't Ashley Hanson play 13 games with you and Kane Munro played 14 games with you.All Victorians that the eagles recruited and played at Swans in 2002. and I think your record for that part alignment was
2002 SD-WC 9th (2-18)

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Rookie draft wrote:

Beasley Hutton wrote: Just had a quick look at the seasons where an alignment and part alignment have been in place and it makes for interesting reading.
In only 1 season in the 8 where there has been alignments or part alignments has there not been an alignment side not at least make a Grand Final that being last year (SU vs WP) but the 2 aligned sides finished 3rd & 4th respectively.
I have tabled each year below who were the aligned sides, final ladder position, win-loss record during the home & away season in brackets and a * if made the finals and a X if didnt play finals.

1999- CL-WC 5th (11-9)X, SF-FD 2nd (18-2)*
2000- EP-WC 1st (15-3)*, SF-FD 7th (8-10)X
2001- EP-WC 1st (14-4)*, SF-FD 2nd (13-5)*
2002- EP-WC 1st (13-5)*, SF-FD 6th (9-9)X
2013- EP-WC 2nd (12-8 )*, PT-FD 9th (3-17)X
2014- EP-WC 2nd (16-4)*, PT-FD 8th (4-16)X
2015- EP-WC 3rd (11-9)*, PT-FD 4th (13-7)*
2016- EP-WC 5th (10-10)*, PT-FD 1st/2nd (11-9)*

I know it helps your stats/paint the picture but pretty sure SF weren't in a host or alignment with Freo in 2002. For that matter EP either with WC. Think it was pulled end of 2001.

Interestingly looking at your stats EP have gone backwards under the current full alignment from 2014 and combining both clubs results its only a bit better than 50/50. 65 wins 55 losses H&A and 6 wins 5 losses finals. Peels result is 28W/32L

What's all the fuss about

Rookie your logic is totally flawed re combining the win-loss records of the aligned clubs, it's a bit like combining Subi's win/loss record and Perths win/loss record and coming up with the assumption that Subi haven/t actually been the most successful team of the last 12 or so years.

The facts are that EP predominantly, SF and now Peel have made grand finals in all but 1 year of the various alignment models. We were told the alignments were put in place so the AFL clubs could have their players in the same team system & club culture not spread around the clubs and that results and ladder position were very much a secondary consideration, well that has proved to be rubbish with Freo going all out to get some sort of silver wear in their dry dusty empty cabinet.

The WAFC CEO said on ABC radio today that there will be a very close look at the player qualification rules whether Peel win or lose and that all stakeholders would be consulted. We've heard that before but hopefully it will be the case this time as they know the prime reason crowds have died in the arse is the alignment.

Gull - I think it's your logic that's off the mark. The topic is about the performance of teams under host/alignment models. All I have done is provide facts on the win/loss performance since the current full alignment commenced in 2014. 65 wins from 120 H&A games is a long way off dominating the competition.

chaddy: it is not the same thing mate: at that time, there was a draft for the players, SD being awarded them because they had a poor side; even with Munro and Hansen playing for them, they won just one game in 2002.