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Senior Seagull wrote:

Freezin wrote:

swan42 wrote: I will reserve my opinion until others have had the opportunity. I am especially interested in the view of A/man, BC, BH and mikeh. That is not to say that I am not interested in other opinions I just mentioned those four as I believe that they will provide an interesting range of views.

Touch wood BH incorporates a few pics in his feedback 42

haha nice one freeze but be careful, TOSG has been kicked off again. Not a bad effort by the sisterhood to get the victim sanctioned instead of the perpetrator.

Oh well life moves on.

Seniorseagull I'm not going to waste my time defending the moderation of this forum. Your mate rightfully complained about an image of him being posted. I dealt with it but not to his satisfaction it seems as I found in threatening private messages and continued remarks on this forum.

Second offence TOS has been banned for 1 month. Quite happy to make that permanent if he doesn't want to play by the rules.

OzFooty Admin wrote:

Senior Seagull wrote:

Freezin wrote:

swan42 wrote: I will reserve my opinion until others have had the opportunity. I am especially interested in the view of A/man, BC, BH and mikeh. That is not to say that I am not interested in other opinions I just mentioned those four as I believe that they will provide an interesting range of views.

Touch wood BH incorporates a few pics in his feedback 42

haha nice one freeze but be careful, TOSG has been kicked off again. Not a bad effort by the sisterhood to get the victim sanctioned instead of the perpetrator.

Oh well life moves on.

Seniorseagull I'm not going to waste my time defending the moderation of this forum. Your mate rightfully complained about an image of him being posted. I dealt with it but not to his satisfaction it seems as I found in threatening private messages and continued remarks on this forum.

Second offence TOS has been banned for 1 month. Quite happy to make that permanent if he doesn't want to play by the rules.

I agree about playing by the rules but we ALL need to play by the rules and an even and transparent application of the rules.

I'll now rest my case and move on.

Senior Seagull wrote:

OzFooty Admin wrote:

Senior Seagull wrote:

Freezin wrote:

swan42 wrote: I will reserve my opinion until others have had the opportunity. I am especially interested in the view of A/man, BC, BH and mikeh. That is not to say that I am not interested in other opinions I just mentioned those four as I believe that they will provide an interesting range of views.

Touch wood BH incorporates a few pics in his feedback 42

haha nice one freeze but be careful, TOSG has been kicked off again. Not a bad effort by the sisterhood to get the victim sanctioned instead of the perpetrator.

Oh well life moves on.

Seniorseagull I'm not going to waste my time defending the moderation of this forum. Your mate rightfully complained about an image of him being posted. I dealt with it but not to his satisfaction it seems as I found in threatening private messages and continued remarks on this forum.

Second offence TOS has been banned for 1 month. Quite happy to make that permanent if he doesn't want to play by the rules.

I agree about playing by the rules but we ALL need to play by the rules and an even and transparent application of the rules.

I'll now rest my case and move on.

As I told TOS in a pm, BH was given a warning which he respectfully replied and heeded the warning even though I don't believe he necessarily knew who the person was and I assume you believe in an assumption of innocence? TOS was also given a warning first time around but he chose to carry on with it regardless.

Cheers Admin thanks for the update. I understand that administering this site is a bit like trying to herd cats!!

Unclear if anybody watches Mythbusters on tv? An episode one night dealt with trying to herd some cats. An extremely difficult exercise it turned out to be.

Grassy wrote: No mate,don't think too many watch that program.

Interesting Excercise. :

I got no doubt you would watch it, so many false flags out there eh.

Senior Seagull wrote: We've probably all had enough of the P**s take thread so thought I'd start a more focused chat about the alignment going forward. There's a lot of passion by grassy, bazza and others and that should be respected but a lot of comments are very black and white and we all know that the world works in the grey areas of discussion and compromise.

Here's what my take is on the facts as they are and as we move forward.

Some form of alignment is here to stay, the money that flows from the AFL clubs to gain that alignment is absolutely critical to the WAFL clubs. Only my mob and EP currently have the financial ability to go it alone but that will change for EP once the current alignment finishes end of '17 and to a lesser extent for Subi when Subi oval closes.

Non of us like the alignment but to say we just piss them off and go it alone is just totally unrealistic. There is no one out there who will stump up the $$ that will disappear if that were to happen.

So where does that leave us? I think it is almost a given that WC will dump EP as their alignment team at the end of '17 and establish their own WAFL team based out of the new Lathlain facility, this will mean a game played at Lathlain every week which will be a financial bonus for the PFC through catering and bar takings as it has been for Subi who open their rooms on away game weekends. Freo will probably keep things as is which really doesn't mean anything as Peel have no history that can be trashed by an alignment. We then have a 10 team comp and remove the bye. There will be 2 rounds of 9 games for an 18 game season and final 5 will be kept. The 18 rounds also suits Ch 7 who are only broadcasting that many currently. There's a lot of bagging of the 7 coverage which I find is not too bad but what is the alternative? CH 2 will never again cover WAFL as they have no money and if CH 9 were to pinch it off 7 then the deal would not be much different, they are both commercial entities and don't do anything without making a dollar from it.

The only thing I think the Council of Presidents can push through is a change to the finals qualifications which will prevent what's happening with Peel this year from happening again. The SANFL proposal seems like a reasonable balanced approach where, if I'm correct, max 50% of the team are listed players, listed players must play a minimum of 10 SANFL games and must play at least 5 of the last 10 games prior to the finals. This would negate teams filling their list with fulltime pro footballers. Mind you if we have an 18 game season then the 10 games could be reduced to 9.

So over to anyone who wants to comment but please lets not just say remove them because that will not happen, lets see what creative ideas can be put forward that recognize the environment we are in and who has the power and the money which dictates who controls the game.

I think expanding the WAFL to a 10 team comp would be the worst possible decision they could make. The talent pool is already pretty thin and the draining of a heap of talent into yet another club (stand alone eagles) would mean the remaining non aligned clubs would struggle to compete, then there's the financial implications, how on earth clubs would survive especially EP going it alone with limited talent and income available would be impossible to see,

WA Footy is entering the most financially sensitive and vulnerable period since the collapse of the old WAFL board and Indian Pacific deal with the move away from Subi to the new Stadium, the free ride at Subi is coming to an end, profits from memberships wont be flowing into AFL/WAFC coffers like they have done for 20 odd years, what ever happens from here in the best times financially are probably behind the WAFC.

An interesting aside to all of this is one person has been involved in singlehandedly destroying the WAFL competition when you look at it from afar.
He was General Manager at the time of the disastrous decisions to allow Peel to enter the WAFL straight after he oversaw the Fremantle debacle of a set up and was also still there for Alignment Mk I.
Finally he left and we started to get the WAFL back to a respectable level of standard and interest and back he comes onto the WAFC for Alignment Mk II and we are back in the hole he pretty much started 20 years ago.
No prizes for guessing who?

Dorro eh - hmmmmmmmmmm are we going to see the old chestnut "merge or bust" fall out of the tree once again

My thoughts are that the WAFL as most of us have known it is pretty much dead. The crowds are evidence of that. Most people want to be entertained by AFL now. Some people, myself included appreciate both codes for what they are.

In order for the WAFL to move forward over the next 50 years I believe we now have to accept that there will be some AFL representation in our local competition. The AFL will not organise a national reserves competition because it is not viable and we will not go back to clubs sharing the AFL players. In response to giving the AFL clubs what they want, the WAFL should be demanding more investment from the AFL into our competition.

What the WAFC needs to do is to somehow make the competition more financially viable and less predictable. Every WAFL club needs to be on a relatively equal playing field in terms of availability of finances to recruit players and be competitive. If it needs some of the stronger clubs to prop up the weaker ones for a while then so be it, this has been going on for years in the AFL.

There also needs to be a tightening of qualification rules for the alignment teams in the finals, so the situation that Peel has found itself in this year never happens again. Every supporter and member of every club needs to feel that their team, with a reasonable amount of luck and good play would have a chance of winning a premiership. This is not the case in the WAFL at the moment. An even, non predictable competition would generate far more interest in the community.

I think also that the host broadcaster shouldn't have the right to pick and choose the games and times that they telecast. They should commit to every week. Channel 7 have 3 digital stations so there is no excuse

It pains me to say some of the things above because I think the WAFC has been asleep at the wheel for much of the last 20 years and has caused many of the ills that exist in the WAFL but if we want to save our competition we need to face reality.