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Crowd estimate discrepancy 10 years 8 months ago #38514

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I just had a quick peek at the sanfl website - soooo much better. It's a normal kind of website but geez it sh1ts all over ours. The logos of the teams everywhere, game previews, the rolling instagram photos and tweets etc make it current and interactive.

Heaps more history to read and information.

The WAFL is embarrassing ATM.

So out of touch.

Put it this way - we have 9 teams of squads of 55 - that's 495 players who all have wives, girlfriends, friends, children right?? Let's average it out to each player having 5 (very mild estimate) but 5 other people in their lives who are interested in how their partner is going, the latest news, scores, pics of their partner or team mates playing, gossip etc - that's 2,970 people who have a direct interest.

Add the 360 colts players who play and lets say 3 others who maybe interested (parents / mates at school / girlfriends and their friends) that's another 1,440 people who would like to check - even if its once a week the WAFL website.

Add the support staff and coaches of each club - say 9 x 40 = 360 people who actually work in the industry and have passion - they want to know the ins and outs and keep informed.

Add club members - I will just make it a very conservative number - 1000 per club which is 9000 club members - now they may speak to, talk to at home or work, play cricket or basketball with or know someone who has a link with a WAFL team from the past - we will say they know 1 person each who don't fit into any of the above catergories - that's another 9000 people.

Not to mention all the district / zones carnival players from under 13's - 17's, schools that have coaching clinics from WAFL players which may be the first time they are connected with the WAFL at all. I won't put a number on that but it would be thousands each year. They will get their information from social media - the website primarily. THEY will want to be a part of it and post pics, add to blogs, do selfies of them at the footy and see themselves on a site and all that crap, twitter, instagram and all that. It will feed itself for that market.

Already we have around 23,000 people who have a direct need for information and that's not counting any kids that actually play the game or any others that play ammos or country footy etc.

I find it mind boggling that this isn't set up to it's absolute best. Once it is it looks after itself because others can add to it and it just explodes. It what the youngsters want and the oldies can get the information that they need.

FIX IT!!!!
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Crowd estimate discrepancy 10 years 8 months ago #38515

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dogman wrote: I just had a quick peek at the sanfl website - soooo much better. It's a normal kind of website but geez it sh1ts all over ours. The logos of the teams everywhere, game previews, the rolling instagram photos and tweets etc make it current and interactive.

Heaps more history to read and information.

The WAFL is embarrassing ATM.

So out of touch.

Put it this way - we have 9 teams of squads of 55 - that's 495 players who all have wives, girlfriends, friends, children right?? Let's average it out to each player having 5 (very mild estimate) but 5 other people in their lives who are interested in how their partner is going, the latest news, scores, pics of their partner or team mates playing, gossip etc - that's 2,970 people who have a direct interest.

Add the 360 colts players who play and lets say 3 others who maybe interested (parents / mates at school / girlfriends and their friends) that's another 1,440 people who would like to check - even if its once a week the WAFL website.

Add the support staff and coaches of each club - say 9 x 40 = 360 people who actually work in the industry and have passion - they want to know the ins and outs and keep informed.

Add club members - I will just make it a very conservative number - 1000 per club which is 9000 club members - now they may speak to, talk to at home or work, play cricket or basketball with or know someone who has a link with a WAFL team from the past - we will say they know 1 person each who don't fit into any of the above catergories - that's another 9000 people.

Not to mention all the district / zones carnival players from under 13's - 17's, schools that have coaching clinics from WAFL players which may be the first time they are connected with the WAFL at all. I won't put a number on that but it would be thousands each year. They will get their information from social media - the website primarily. THEY will want to be a part of it and post pics, add to blogs, do selfies of them at the footy and see themselves on a site and all that crap, twitter, instagram and all that. It will feed itself for that market.

Already we have around 23,000 people who have a direct need for information and that's not counting any kids that actually play the game or any others that play ammos or country footy etc.

I find it mind boggling that this isn't set up to it's absolute best. Once it is it looks after itself because others can add to it and it just explodes. It what the youngsters want and the oldies can get the information that they need.

FIX IT!!!!


You're on fire today. Another very good post. You should send all this to Nick Sautner at the WAFC. I doubt he cares too much for the WAFL, coming from the VFL, but I'd be interested to see if he acts upon some of these things.

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Crowd estimate discrepancy 10 years 8 months ago #38574

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Dogman very well said.

Is it time that boards tried to attract business men and women under the age of 35. Some clubs have done it to some capacity. Get younger people in to put a younger perspective on current situations and club issues. Some of the old blokes in footy clubs now still have an attitude that I think is and could be detrimental to the game and their clubs.

Not knocking the contribution they have made just saying get fresh, young vibrant faces in with new ideas and in better touch with the younger generation and things such as social media and different avenues of promotion.

I still believe that the decline in the attendances at WAFL games is partly due to the lack of promotion and initiative shown by the clubs themselves and the WAFC/WAFL when it comes to advertising our great game and the men and women who make it great.

Steps have been taken this season with the weekly video by Cameron Knapton and more detailed updates of the weekly review showing attendances, scores, reports, tribunal decisions and milestones. However this means nothing if it falls by the wayside in 2015. Good early steps but they need to assess at the end of the season and see what they can do better. I'll say it again, have a look at how interactive the SANFL website is as well as some of the SANFL club websites.

With the extra $900,000 that is coming to the WAFC because of the alignment you would think that $70-80,000 could be spent on two media/communications/website people that could raise the standard to a whole new level.

Also in regards to the SANFL game of the round I noticed that the standing area was quite small. i.e the boundary fence to the back fence looked only to be 20 metres away. Unlike say at Perth were you have big open spaces. Still looked like a great crowd though and they all seemed to enjoy the game.

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Yes, most of the SANFL grounds have smaller outer banks/spectator areas which makes for a much better atmosphere. Even a small crowd can look ok at most of their grounds.

A combination of grass and paving as well for those that prefer one or the other.

They just look more "league standard" than some of ours.

Having said that, I wouldn't change anything about Bassendean or Lathlain. They are great grounds. Love watching footy at both.

East Fremantle Oval is a different story. I guess it's rustic at best nowadays.

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Crowd estimate discrepancy 10 years 8 months ago #38584

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Hang on a minute if I remember correctly one of the big points that Messrs Cooper, Walton, Nisbett & Rosich announced when preaching this latest model of the alignment was...WCE & Freo promoting the games to their AFL members/supporters and thus apparently up to 5,000 of their fans would show up to their games and using their supposed power in the media to get the WAFL telecast on free to air TV etc.
So far the WAFC/WCE/Freo have proven to have failed on all of those accounts and now a few of you are pushing it back on to the WAFL clubs to get this promotion done when most are relying on chook raffles just to stay afloat!
Yes the WAFL clubs (G7) should be doing as much promotion as possible within their means of course be it by facebook, twitter, community news etc but dont forget the 3 conglomerates who have all the money over here and their complete lack of living up to the promises they were making about the alignment back in 2012 now that they have what they wanted!

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Barney wrote: Anyone see the crowds for the first round of SANFL this weekend? Amazing what can happen with a bit of club promotion and without club presidents for-telling the end of the world.

And what exactly have WCE & Freo done to promote their Ressies teams games vs Swans the last 2 weeks?
Sweet Fark All is the answer!
So much for their promises back in 2012 about promoting the WAFL if given their own teams!

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Beasley Hutton wrote:

Barney wrote: Anyone see the crowds for the first round of SANFL this weekend? Amazing what can happen with a bit of club promotion and without club presidents for-telling the end of the world.

And what exactly have WCE & Freo done to promote their Ressies teams games vs Swans the last 2 weeks?
Sweet Fark All is the answer!
So much for their promises back in 2012 about promoting the WAFL if given their own teams!

This post underlines why there is a difference between the crowd figures at WAFL and SANFL level.

North Adelaide promoted the hell out of the game. Press conference with North players and Crows reserves players. Photo shoot with both captains. Radio interviews. Had an us vs them slant on it and they got the rewards.

So far in the WAFL not one of the games against the alignment teams have been pushed, even by the two teams. Only thing is a $10 entry deal. Then after the games there is complaints that they didn't get crowds and why didn't someone else promote it.

Clubs should promote it themselves because they get the benefits from it. Directly from gate receipts, indirectly from the money they spend at the bar and tuck shop.

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promoting a Peel game at Bassendean is totally illogical, Peel have no supporters and Freo supporters are not going to travel to Basso.
only East Freo and South would have a chance of getting a good crowd against Peel..

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MarkOlsen wrote: promoting a Peel game at Bassendean is totally illogical, Peel have no supporters and Freo supporters are not going to travel to Basso.
only East Freo and South would have a chance of getting a good crowd against Peel..


Yep!!!

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2280 at Gero for the EF v Subi game? Seems a lot when compared to what was reported on here.

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