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The reality is the WAAFL want to bring in a salary cap, as it will make their competition look much better. The quality of the players that come in will keep growing and so will the competition. Unfortunately for the clubs it all comes at a cost to us and we will be financially effected. While the WAAFL money pit gets bigger and the hierarchy get a pat on the back for the standard of the competition.

I personally believe it should be kept how it is. Yes players will still be getting paid under the table. But clubs that want to get the extra advantage will still be able to rort or cheat a salary cap or points system.

I cant understand how a club could rort a player points system??

I agree with points system and a simplified version

i do also think that the Wafl clubs play a major part in where fringe wafl players end up and thus strengthening the higher grade teams in their zone and weakening the weaker teams. This is where the points should help local clubs retain their players after stints at wafl level.

How can it be rorted.
I would target low point quality players who haven't played higher than WAAFL but are just as valuable. So pretty much throw good money at low point players from the clubs around you. Then grab the wafl players that were originally from your club. If we are paying players now when you aren't allowed to, don't you think clubs are going to try and bend the rules to get an advantage with any system.

These systems are being brought in after one club climbed the grades very quickly and the A grade teams didn't want in their grade. It might stop them from being successful, but all the other teams will keep doing what their doing.

The other thing the players aren't stupid and if they know they are worth low points they will know they are worth more $$$$, so win win for them. If I am a gun at my original club and know I am worth 0 points, well surely I am very valuable to that club and deserve to be rewarded.

Many of the Victorian leagues that implemented the points cap this year had the player points visible on Sporting Pulse and some even added it in their weekly footy budget. Even some of their cricket competitions list every player's points value in a PDF file in a completely transparent forum.

It's very hard to fudge a player's points value when the league registrar checks the player's credentials and rubber stamps a points value for them (nowadays past clubs and games played is a very open process with Sporting Pulse and the player records on the WAFL website). You can't dodge the points system after that as long as the league says that the points must be shared around a minimum of 22 players (i.e. a full bench), to stop sides playing a man or two short on the bench to get an extra high-end talent in their side.

Salary caps? Why bother. Everyone knows that they can be subverted in many ways. The points cap is a far better leveller of a competition's playing field.

Clubs can pay $500 per team in match day awards. For our League team, we do so. Much lower awards are paid to Reserves, Thirds and Colts teams.

This amount is already a large drain on the Club's finances and I would not be in favour of increasing it too much - a couple of hundred perhaps and bring it up to 6 or 7 players maximum.

Our Club is a strong supporter of the points system.

No matter how complicated a system is introduced, it won't take long for a Club to sort it out. Calculations can be done as each player registers and the calculations then be sent to the WAAFL for checking. This could start today if the WAAFL chose to go down that line. Another column can be put on to the weekly team sheets - this would then be transparent to both the WAAFL and the team you are playing against - and do it for ALL grades within the every Club. Once each players points value is calculated, that calculation won't change for the remainder of the season.

Our Club does not support the paying of players at any grade.

Changes proposed (I understand) for country leagues should help sort out the movement of metro players to those leagues, but rorts will continue no matter what is put in place. The amount of money country clubs are expected to pay out each week is making life hard for them financially, but this has to balanced out against the need of many of those clubs to bring players in so that their clubs can continue to exist.

A difficult one.

My former country Club (Perenjori) has been forced to amalgamate to keep the club going and the competition (North Midlands) has been forced to increase in size geographically so that it can continue. Distances players need to travel for both training and games then become an issue.

I believe we need a competition which is levelled out so that (say) a C4 Club could, in time, get to A Grade if they really wanted to, but that the current A and B Grade Clubs then need to understand and accept that they do not have a God given right to be in one of those Grades for ever. Clubs will rise - Clubs will fall.

No Club should be allowed, permitted, encouraged or expected to pay out the tens of thousands of dollars per year as currently happens.

Birdman wrote:
No matter how complicated a system is introduced, it won't take long for a Club to sort it out. Calculations can be done as each player registers and the calculations then be sent to the WAAFL for checking. This could start today if the WAAFL chose to go down that line. Another column can be put on to the weekly team sheets - this would then be transparent to both the WAAFL and the team you are playing against - and do it for ALL grades within the every Club. Once each players points value is calculated, that calculation won't change for the remainder of the season.

In this age of technology, surely it would be a bit of a task first up to allocate points to all players, but as you say, done once, it is done. All players that register after playing WAFL or AFL have to seek amateur status, so points would be allocated by the league at that time, same for anyone seeking a clearance.

Then the team selection in Sporting Pulse could automatically tally the points when you do team selections and tell you if your team is over or not. Extremely hard to rort, unless a player doesn't put his name on the sheet.

Simples.

Having done that type of thing before, if Sporting Pulse and the WAFL website have a player's records up to date, then it would take less than two minutes per player.

And as most of our players have been with the club for some time, many since starting at Colts level, they won't even take 2 minutes each.

A couple of years ago, we were asked to do s trial points calculation using 3 different systems. It only took a couple of hours to do the entire club of about 140 players.

Birdman wrote: Our Club is a strong supporter of the points system.

No matter how complicated a system is introduced, it won't take long for a Club to sort it out. Calculations can be done as each player registers and the calculations then be sent to the WAAFL for checking. This could start today if the WAAFL chose to go down that line.

Birdman would you vote for a tax system without any knowledge of the tax rates or method of application? If you wouldn't then how can you possibly support a Points System without knowing the rules that attach to the system, how the points will be applied and the actual points in each category of player.

That is the problem. You guys are putting the cart before the horse in this matter.

UNless we can agree on the rules and the method of application then forget about advocating the introduction of the system because you have no idea how that will affect your club and whether it will be fair and reasonable to past, present and future players.

THe various advocates of a points system have their heads in the sand if they are oblivious to the devil in the detail being proposed.

The clubs must agree on a whole range of details which would include answers but not be limited to the following questions:

(1) Will the points system be retrospective and affect players already registered with a club. Yes or No. If yes then I don't support it

(2) Will players who commenced their footy with an Ammo club, who have played WAFL or higher and return to their Ammo club after 2017 be classified as a low point player. Yes or NO. If No then I don't support it

(3) Will any player, not an original player who transfers to an Ammo club after 2017 and who plays for 2 or more seasons with an ammo club continue to have a higher points allocation. Yes or No. If yes then I don't support it.

Sometimes what you wish for is not what you end up with. For goodness sake have a reality check on these issues

For most leagues that have applied it (in Vic, SA, WA):

1 is a no (which is why there is a 'more than usual' volume of player movement the year leading up to its implementation)

2 is a yes (you reward the original club. let's say the player returns to X and is rated as a 2, then if he went to Y instead, then then would be rated as a 3)

3 occurs in most leagues as a loyalty discount (e.g. a player rated as a 3 would be downgraded to 2 after 2 or 3 years as long as he hasn't played on permit or had been cleared to any other club in that time)